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03-03-2012 , 02:52 PM
The guy calls super light, and he bluff raised my double barrel on K73r Kx in 3bet pot and folded to a shove. So he seems super monkeyish. His flop check/raise is around 20%. What do u do in these spots?





[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12055182

Hero (SB): $1,608.70 (268.1 bb)
BB: $568.70 (94.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q 7 5 3
Hero raises to $18, BB calls $12

Flop: ($36) 5 4 Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $24.85, BB calls $24.85

Turn: ($85.70) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $54, BB raises to $247.20






[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12055192

Hero (SB): $1,282.50 (213.8 bb)
BB: $871.30 (145.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 3 4 9
Hero raises to $12, BB calls $6

Flop: ($24) 6 7 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $16.45, BB raises to $48, Hero calls $31.55

Turn: ($120) A (2 players)
BB bets $72, Hero raises to $335.50, BB calls $263.50

River: ($791) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $475.80 and is all-in
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03-03-2012 , 02:59 PM
get in on 1st , 2nd i fold because the 8 complete the wrap... if it was Kh id call for sure.
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03-03-2012 , 03:03 PM
yeah but did u notice our str8 improves a bit as well?
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03-03-2012 , 04:54 PM
shove,

second one not sure misread our hand first time
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03-03-2012 , 05:38 PM
Very easy shove in hand 1. Hand 2 I'll probably fold. I mean what does he donk-call the turn with that does not include hearts?
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03-03-2012 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by HitmanDK
Very easy shove in hand 1. Hand 2 I'll probably fold. I mean what does he donk-call the turn with that does not include hearts?
set +/- oesd or gutter

2nd is pretty close, go with gut in game tbh
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03-04-2012 , 06:56 AM
Isn't call/call in 1st hand better if he's that much a monkey? Not really many cards we are afraid of.
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03-04-2012 , 07:50 AM
asdf
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03-05-2012 , 12:26 PM
Definetly just call in hand 1 imo. If he is as big of a spaz as you said, id expect him to be jamming a lot of rivers. Second hand is pretty close i think. I don't know how often he jams the 8910x for value on the river.
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03-05-2012 , 02:18 PM
I think I'm ust shoving hand 1 and folding hand 2
imo we should be a little bit deeper if we decide to call in hand 1. I don't think he's folding more than 5% in this hand. If we are 800+ deep I think I just call against described player
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03-08-2012 , 01:28 AM
U should shove turn if u think hell call in hand 1, otherwise flat call and call all rivers. Hand 2 is an easy fold. Even most aggro donks shut down when they're shown great strength from a turn raise
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03-08-2012 , 06:25 AM
Hand 1 definitely call/call. It's a million times better than shoving.
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03-08-2012 , 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverScaredB
Hand 1 definitely call/call. It's a million times better than shoving.
Why? I mean, I could be wrong about the dynamics, but I don't think villain would raise pot on that turn without a perceived equity of ~25 percent against hero's shoving range.
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03-08-2012 , 07:03 AM
1) I call turn and prob never folding river
2) it sucks but I probab fold, also if I would not be shocked that u beat him sometimes
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03-08-2012 , 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverScaredB
Hand 1 definitely call/call. It's a million times better than shoving.
I'm pretty sure w these stacks it's a shove
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03-08-2012 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Papicoolo
I'm pretty sure w these stacks it's a shove
yep
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03-09-2012 , 04:04 AM
Why would we jam turn in hand 1? I mean guy peels light - probably plays the nuts that way 100% on turn. But given his image he could be bluffing and donīt see people value c/r anything worse (often enough) unless he is massivly overplaying hands. And given our hand we wonīt face tought river decisions when he jams (given our redraws) very often.

What do you guys put him on after c/c flop and c/r turn (he c/r 20% flop)?
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03-09-2012 , 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by tizzl
What do you guys put him on after c/c flop and c/r turn (he c/r 20% flop)?
73, 23, 66 and 67 (with benefits) are all possible and would surprise me a hell of a lot less than a pure bluff with blockers, no clubs.

Villain is a monkey according to hero, but the only example he cites is when he bluff-raised the turn when the top card paired in a 3-bet pot. Is that really a monkey move? I'd wager villain didn't raise anywhere close to pot either.

To think that villain either has 78 or nothing in this spot is 6 max-mentality. It takes a very special villain to show up with nothing in this spot, trust me (at a significant frequency, at least).

Last edited by Lasaronen; 03-09-2012 at 06:32 AM.
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03-17-2012 , 11:26 PM
Yeah hand 1 should be a reshove. His check raise commits half his stack. U can't just flat call and then fold river
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