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03-06-2010 , 07:26 PM

lucid75

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Villain is fairly taggish, image is fairly vanilla at this point. I'm unsure whether betting/checking the flop is better (probably betting is better to get called by a decent bit of draws). As played, I think you could make a good argument for folding the turn, and the river is interesting as well i think.

Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $948.50
Hero (BTN): $401.90
SB: $238.70
BB: $818.60

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BTN with 7

1 fold, Hero raises to $12, 1 fold, BB raises to $38, Hero calls $26

Flop: ($78.00) 7

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($78.00) A

(2 players)
BB bets $72, Hero calls $72

River: ($222.00) Q

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $175?

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03-06-2010 , 07:32 PM

DJilago

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You definitely have to bet the flop because your hand is likely best plus whenever a flop like this comes in a 3bet pot I think you have to use your position to put pressure on villain to come up with a hand or play back at you every time

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03-07-2010 , 02:35 AM

Scary_Tiger

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Don't like it, even though he didn't end up check/calling the flop, a lot of guy's default play with any flush draw is to check/call there. And it's hard to have the flush you're representing after your flop check and he can look you up with AAxx or Aces up or whatever. Think the big error is betting the flop, when he checks here, you shouldn't be paranoid about getting to showdown, you should think, yay I have the best hand, I bet, please don't call and turn a spade.

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03-07-2010 , 10:07 AM

bicolor_le_bond

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Definitely bet flop

I agree that when you get to the turn his betting range has you crushed unless he bets AKxx and you don't have a strong redraw (straights with spades may be dirty, another 8 or 7 may make him a better FH if he is betting aces up etc) so folding is not entirely wrong imo

The river bet is interesting. What is the top of his range that you are expecting to fold?

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03-07-2010 , 12:37 PM

CZI

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I'd just show it down as played, even though his river check suggests he has decent showdown value. I just don't think you're folding out aces up or better, which is the only aim of your bet.

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03-07-2010 , 02:59 PM

urubu111

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top2pair + oesd. easy value bet on flop and hope villain c/r, get in etc. id try get in on flop.. since you slowplayed, id raise on turn because board has too many draws and your 2p probably is the best hand, plus if you don't have the best hand, you still have open ended str8 draw.

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03-07-2010 , 03:13 PM

Quasar30

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Originally Posted by urubu111

Your hoping villain check-raise flop so you can get it in? You think your hand plays well vs villain's flop c/r-range and that this is a better scenario than if villain c/c?

I'd bet, but defintely hoping villain would call, not raise. With position, still plenty behind, vs a weaker c/c-range seems a lot better.

With no numbers in the first post, its hard to construct a range but
considering Hero checked behind flop i'd assume villain had a balanced BB-3bet-range and also check-raised his value-hands quite often.

Last edited by Quasar30; 03-07-2010 at 03:31 PM.

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03-07-2010 , 04:20 PM

Th3_S1aught3r

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Originally Posted by urubu111

nice level

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03-07-2010 , 04:58 PM

gordo16

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Originally Posted by CZI

I'd just show it down as played, even though his river check suggests he has decent showdown value. I just don't think you're folding out aces up or better, which is the only aim of your bet.

seems pretty unlikely that hero's line is going to be unable to fold out aces up or better. your image should really dictate whether or not this line is going to be credible for you - the more that you are perceived as a station/someone not apt to fold a lot of draws before the river the more likely that I would be to take your line. as is, it seems fine to me although I also expect him to be c/cing with the majority of his rivered flushes here.

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03-07-2010 , 07:57 PM

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DJFL

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this is a weird thread. 2pr = the nuts because villain 3Bet. I mean, all he can ever have is obv naked AA.

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