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2/4: turn question deep with p+fd in 3bet pot 2/4: turn question deep with p+fd in 3bet pot

08-19-2009 , 03:31 AM
villain is 25/25/5.0 in just 25hands. I saw him 3bet with AQQKss once.
Don't know if it's relevant but he saw me instaship it in w/ top pair in 4bet pot, and then saw me bet/3bet rainbow flop with a wrap. So it's likely he thinks i like to gamble and won't be pushed around.

flop is standard? what's your line on the turn? Does the fact that he bet so small with 2 fd's on the board lessen the probability that he has AA, KK or AK and therefore affect our decision? I folded, I want to make sure I didn't play this weak.

IPoker Network $400.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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SB: $400.00
BB: $555.00
UTG: $400.00
CO: $389.60
Hero (BTN): $1160.90

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BTN with J K 8 6
2 folds, Hero raises to $14, 1 fold, BB raises to $44, Hero calls $30

Flop: ($90.00) 2 K 9 (2 players)
BB bets $52.00, Hero calls $52

Turn: ($194.00) A (2 players)
BB bets $124.00, Hero ??
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08-19-2009 , 04:35 AM
ffffold imo. And its not even close
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08-19-2009 , 05:53 AM
dont raise pre
dont call the 3 bet
fold the flop
fold the turn
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08-19-2009 , 06:03 AM
Why are you calling the flop? What could you hit on the turn that you really like? Maybe a non-spade K, 8, or 6, but even then you're often still behind. Turn is an easy fold. I disagree with the above poster about pre; raising that button is good and calling the 3bet is borderline.
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08-19-2009 , 06:59 AM
fold to 3bet. Flop float is fine as long as you are going to rep some turn cards if he checks or bets weak. I'd be pretty tempted to shove here but I'd need a seriously good read that he never has AAA with that bet to do that so I would fold.
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08-19-2009 , 07:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by protoculture11
dont raise pre
dont call the 3 bet
fold the flop
fold the turn
No,
No,
No,
Yes
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08-19-2009 , 07:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by protoculture11
dont raise pre
dont call the 3 bet
fold the flop
fold the turn
Quote:
Originally Posted by coldi
No,
No,
No,
Yes
+1. I play whole hand the same
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08-19-2009 , 08:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by protoculture11
dont raise pre
dont call the 3 bet
fold the flop
fold the turn
loll
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08-19-2009 , 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gavz101
fold to 3bet.
really??? thought calling 3bet here is superstandard. I would like some more input on this...

Quote:
Originally Posted by gavz101
Flop float is fine as long as you are going to rep some turn cards if he checks or bets weak. I'd be pretty tempted to shove here but I'd need a seriously good read that he never has AAA with that bet to do that so I would fold.
exactly, esp that we're 140bb deep + there are so many good turns for my perceived range. but not on this turn. there's even a chance he might be inducing a bluffraise with that betsize, so i'll pass.
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08-19-2009 , 05:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBee
+1. I play whole hand the same
+1

How could you not raise pre? Calling the 3 bet is the only borderline play in the hand since you basically have 2 holdem hands. Still, villain's stats look so standard that you're going to be able to outplay him in position on a lot of flops/turns. So, for that reason I don't mind it that much.
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08-19-2009 , 06:08 PM
everything is fine if you fold the turn...
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08-19-2009 , 09:07 PM
gavz you dont fold this pre:P
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08-19-2009 , 10:30 PM
True. The point is that it might actually be -EV to call the 3bet with this gappy hand though.
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08-20-2009 , 02:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gavz101
True. The point is that it might actually be -EV to call the 3bet with this gappy hand though.
i feel like i lose money calling pre in this spot, but i also feel like all good players are always calling pre so I think I must be making mistakes post-flop.
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08-20-2009 , 02:19 AM
there's just no way calling the 3-bet against anyone is bad, especially with room to play but not really deep.
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08-20-2009 , 09:30 AM
fold pre? fold to 3bet? who is taking crazy pills?
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08-21-2009 , 01:16 AM
Yeah wtf. you can't fold pre. Flat on the flop is pretty std. Definitely consider shoving if this guy barrels turn lite alot.
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08-21-2009 , 01:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterMag
Why are you calling the flop? What could you hit on the turn that you really like? Maybe a non-spade K, 8, or 6, but even then you're often still behind. Turn is an easy fold. I disagree with the above poster about pre; raising that button is good and calling the 3bet is borderline.
What's our line if we have a 20bb stack?
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08-21-2009 , 01:44 AM
To the people who say play the same but fold turn: would you fold the flop if he bet bigger?
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08-21-2009 , 05:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blumpkin
What's our line if we have a 20bb stack?
lol
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08-22-2009 , 09:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by protoculture11
dont raise pre
dont call the 3 bet
fold the flop
fold the turn
lol never post again. you are not a winning player and that advice is terrible.



Please tell me the correct way to play kj86 double suited when its folded to you on the button???


also you are not deep, at all
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