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2/4 turn decision with AA + NFD 2/4 turn decision with AA + NFD

11-25-2008 , 03:57 PM
Som decent players at this table, although I didn`t have a read on the villain in this pot. My play until the turn is ofcourse standard, but I face a decision now. I could fold and move on to the next hand, but in my experience many players will float this floap with a naked king and try to steal it away on any scare card. Calling is an option, but if I call this bet chances are that I will have to call on the river too even unimproved. Is there any value in shoving here?

$2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($297.08)
CO ($110.90)
BTN ($2289.60)
Hero (SB) ($1356.20)
BB ($498.00)

Pre-flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is SB 2 A A 4
UTG calls $4, 1 fold, BTN calls $4, Hero raises to $20, BB calls $16, UTG calls $16, BTN calls $16

Flop: 7 K 8 ($80, 4 players)
Hero bets $80, BB calls $80, 2 folds

Turn: 7 ($240, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $48, $48 to Hero ($1256.2)?
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11-25-2008 , 04:00 PM
Ummm bet the turn next time.

As played, raise.
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11-25-2008 , 04:04 PM
call, turn
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11-25-2008 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by HeddaGambler
Calling is an option, but if I call this bet chances are that I will have to call on the river too even unimproved. Is there any value in shoving here?
If you think you have the best hand calling, then calling alot rivers unimproved is good, pushing is 'lazy' playing. If you think he is able to fold naked trips I like your bluffraise, since he should never call with worse in PLO. But he will not have many outs if behind and you give rope and I dont see that he folds bether ever for a push.

Nice stack btw.
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11-25-2008 , 04:15 PM
bet/fold turn. As played, what blopp said : >
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11-25-2008 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BananaBalla
Ummm bet the turn next time.

As played, raise.
Why? What do I beat here that is not a bluff? A king with a flush draw is the only hand I can imagine and I doubt I`d get called by that. If he is bluffing or on a worse draw, isn`t it just better to call and let him bet again on the river?
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11-25-2008 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by koOma
bet/fold turn. >
nah not deep enough, unless we bet really small and then we might induced something . . .
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11-25-2008 , 04:18 PM
I would think this is either quad 7s kings full or some weird attempt for a cheap showdown.

As played, there is no point raising, unless there are some sick meta wars going on, or you want to start one. reopening the betting is unlikely to help us much.

I call and bet/fold river for halfpot.

On second thoughts check/fold might be better.

Actually I'm torn between a block bet/fold or check/fold

Last edited by uphigh_downlow; 11-25-2008 at 04:27 PM.
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11-25-2008 , 04:20 PM
I just feel like we are ahead most of the time, but calling and calling river is good too.
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11-25-2008 , 05:08 PM
In retrospect I still feel that a check is the best option on the turn. My bet-sizing is almost always PSB and any less will both seem suspicious and giving Villain a chance to make a play at me. If I bet pot I will have to call the reraise. And, with KK or 77, would Villain really raise here?

Folding is obviously an option and maybe I should have opted for that since I did not have any reads on Villain. But, I think that calling here is the best play for the reasons mentioned in this thread. If he indeed has a really strong hand I will get to see it cheaper than by betting/shoving, and if he is bluffing he gets another chance to bluff me on the river.

I ended up making the lazy move (nive term Blopp!) and shoved. Didn`t take long for Villain to call with quad sevens....
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11-25-2008 , 06:12 PM
I would shove the turn.

As played, with the check, villain is saying one of two things. Either he has a lock hand and is milking a small bet on the turn, or he has trash like JT98 and just probing to see if you fold. If he has the latter he'll check the river, and with the former he'll pot the river. So call turn, fold big river bets, but consider calling little ones.
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11-25-2008 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Scary_Tiger
As played, with the check, villain is saying one of two things. Either he has a lock hand and is milking a small bet on the turn, or he has trash like JT98 and just probing to see if you fold. If he has the latter he'll check the river, and with the former he'll pot the river. So call turn, fold big river bets, but consider calling little ones.
How do you know this?

+ I think Hiro plays at euro site.
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11-25-2008 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Scary_Tiger
I would shove the turn.

As played, with the check, villain is saying one of two things. Either he has a lock hand and is milking a small bet on the turn, or he has trash like JT98 and just probing to see if you fold. If he has the latter he'll check the river, and with the former he'll pot the river. So call turn, fold big river bets, but consider calling little ones.
I respect your play at PLO100, but you might be getting used to the players at PLO100, and generalising. This PLO100 shove would get killed at any reasonable stakes.
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