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10-04-2008 , 08:52 AM

Clayton

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Nazgul (BB in this hand) is solid in just about any form of poker iirc, these days he's more known for backing people tho.

Anyways, I am looking for thoughts on the flop plan IF we face a checkraise from either Nazgul or the random, and turn plan.

Thanks in advance

Poker Stars $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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BB: $427.00
UTG: $243.00
MP: $522.15
CO: $371.00
Hero (BTN): $406.40
SB: $602.20

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BTN with T

1 fold, MP calls $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $18, 1 fold, BB calls $14, MP calls $14

Flop: ($56.00) 3

(3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $38, BB calls $38, MP folds

Turn: ($132.00) 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero

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10-04-2008 , 09:09 AM

hartwith

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Not sure what to make of his flat behind on the flop. I feel like if he had a really strong draw/set he'd be raising this flop, which suggests he either has T with blockers or some kind of draw which could inc 79xx.

Meh, I can definitely see arguments for 3 options here: b/c, c/r, c/c. Tough spot because we have no idea whether your flush draw is good.

Personally, I'd take the aggressive route, pot the turn, leaving us just over $200 behind and obv be prepared to ship the rest in if he pushes.

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10-04-2008 , 09:30 AM

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If he check-raises the flop it's a tough spot. I wouldn't be thrilled to be getting it in here since we have just top pair with an 8-outer straight draw, and unless he's very loose-aggressive I think we're well behind his range, so you might have to fold because you're not getting odds to see the turn. That's not to say that you shouldn't bet the flop - I think you should, because more often than not you won't get raised.

On the turn I'd vote for taking a free card, since top pair has some showdown value. You can't really represent 2 pair / set or the straight very well here.

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10-04-2008 , 09:51 AM

BananaBalla

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Yeah I'd ck the turn because bet/calling kinda sucks.

I'd fold the flop to the check raise. As he's solid, his c/r range crushes your hand.

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10-04-2008 , 10:53 AM

sc000t

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Bet $100.

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10-04-2008 , 11:01 AM

wazz

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Bet $100/call all-in

I'd bet more on the flop fwiw.

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10-04-2008 , 11:54 AM

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Is the idea of betting 100 to get him to fold better, or to protect our hand from a draw? Or just because we like betting? What's his range of better hands that he's folding - naked big pairs?

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10-04-2008 , 12:25 PM

jwc529

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he's folding this turn a lot imo
what % idk, but 2nd barrel is good here

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10-04-2008 , 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wazz

Bet $100/call all-in

I'd bet more on the flop fwiw.

plz explain how this is the best option.

good post btw op

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10-04-2008 , 05:58 PM

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BananaBalla

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Wazz/scoot, you guys saying bet/call because of who villain is, or are you saying this is your standard line vs. an average regular?

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10-04-2008 , 06:17 PM

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can't imagine letting this check

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10-05-2008 , 12:58 AM

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We're a favourite over his turn check-raising all-in range, basically. If his his turn check-raising range was sets or straights only, then we should probably check.

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10-05-2008 , 04:33 AM

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Clayton

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i think by virtue of nazgul being solid, that condition wazz outlines is under debate

i do agree my flopbetting size should have been larger tho

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10-05-2008 , 06:46 AM

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Kala1928

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Originally Posted by Clayton

i think by virtue of nazgul being solid, that condition wazz outlines is under debate

i do agree my flopbetting size should have been larger tho

flop bet is ok if its done to induce raises so you can shove or induce something else, if it isnt, potting is likely better since you'll get more folds and get a better clue on what your opponents have.

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10-05-2008 , 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Clayton

i think by virtue of nazgul being solid, that condition wazz outlines is under debate

i do agree my flopbetting size should have been larger tho

What do you mean by solid? When he bets, he has it? I class that as rocky (predictable, exploitable) rather than solid (tricky, sometimes bluffs). If you mean he's rocky, and are planning on folding to a checkraise, just check it back yourself to preserve your draw. If you ever expect him to checkraise this turn with less than a set, go ahead and bet-call.

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10-05-2008 , 01:08 PM

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I dont mind a check behind here but bet/calling is alright too.

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10-05-2008 , 03:05 PM

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DjSkyy

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yeah bet at leats $100 on turn, i think he's folding just enough, and of course, call if he pushes.

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