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2/4 150bb with the middle of everything vs crazy Scandis 2/4 150bb with the middle of everything vs crazy Scandis

08-31-2010 , 05:37 AM
Both villains play very similar stats over 1-1.5k hands.

SB - 41/18/6.8
UTG+1 - 41/19/6

Both are quite aggro when they catch a piece, generally fisshy and gamble too much.

SB mostly seems like an idiot a lot of the time, whereas UTG+1 does seem like he has a clue but just loves the gamble to the point a lot of his plays are stupid.

All that being said, do I ever have enough equity to call the rest off here? Also I think raising the flop is questionable.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $4(BB) Replayer
SB ($811)
BB ($404)
Hero ($576)
UTG+1 ($1,103)
CO ($1,536)
BTN ($400)

Dealt to Hero 5 J J 5

Hero raises to $14, UTG+1 calls $14, CO calls $14, fold, SB calls $12, fold

FLOP ($60) 5 3 9

SB bets $52, Hero raises to $180, UTG+1 calls $180, CO folds, SB raises to $780, Hero has $382
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08-31-2010 , 05:41 AM
First! Looking at it on paper I think I have enough, assuming UTG+1 will fold a reasonable amount now SB has shoved.
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08-31-2010 , 05:47 AM
what else can you do.
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08-31-2010 , 05:51 AM
Yeah I thought it was closer when I played it.

After the flop raise theres not much choice.
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08-31-2010 , 05:56 AM
I think based on ur reads enough spew could be going on to get it in. Plus with ur stack depth and money invested already I think it's one of those spots where it's a disaster to fold and be wrong but calling can never be that bad. U'll be crushed sometimes but u still got 3 outs Probably why I suck at this game tho cause I wouldn't even think about this.
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08-31-2010 , 06:14 AM
easy get it in versus northern european idiots, nh
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08-31-2010 , 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by DPred123
easy get it in versus northern european idiots, nh
yep
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09-01-2010 , 02:22 AM
Just fold and wait for a better spot..Scandis always have it.
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09-01-2010 , 03:06 AM
They did this time as I was dominated in every way imaginable.

Results-orientated ftw.

Anyone not raise the flop here to allow spaz from the players behind?
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09-01-2010 , 03:08 AM
thought it was a 3bot pot. still not foldng.
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09-01-2010 , 04:55 AM
I would put A LOT of money in in this spot.
Fistpumping up to 500bbs or something...
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09-01-2010 , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Quasar30
I would put A LOT of money in in this spot.
Fistpumping up to 500bbs or something...
this cracked me up
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09-01-2010 , 05:28 AM
is this serious? absolute worst case you have 3 outs. against bare top set you have a million outs. you have wrap + flush draw type hands crushed. oh and did i mention you have the second nuts against gambletard scandies? and you're asking if you should fold getting a billion to 1?
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09-01-2010 , 05:36 AM
No, I called obv and did have 3 outs. As soon as I posted it I realised it wasnt close at all as I said above.

Im only really interested in the flop play now as to whether flatting or raising is better. I suspect that raising smaller is probaly best.
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09-01-2010 , 05:57 AM
Nah, I think you played it fine on the flop. Making a small raise doesn't result to any good.
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09-01-2010 , 12:47 PM
I would have fist pump shoved here, especially vs players mentioned, given pot odds no thought required. Sometimes they have Asxs99 and your life blows... Too results oriented if you are questioning this... How can you just call on the flop, half of the deck completes a straight or a non nut hand for you and you let other player get their free. Your equity likely never better than on the flop, get it in.
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09-01-2010 , 04:38 PM
Overthinking a standard cooler. You played it fine.
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09-01-2010 , 04:52 PM
easiest fist pump ever lol
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09-01-2010 , 06:20 PM
we have middle set right?
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09-01-2010 , 06:23 PM
Your play is fine. Just raise huge and get it in. You're never bluffing here so no need to raise small and stuff imo. I think I'd get in like 300bb here, after that I'd have to think about it
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09-01-2010 , 06:43 PM
How is then even close? There's no hands that have us crushed. If they've got the 678 wrap with clubs, we have them dominated. If we are up against a naked fd same thing. Only have that has us bad is like 7899.
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09-01-2010 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rampage_Jackson
How is then even close? There's no hands that have us crushed. If they've got the 678 wrap with clubs, we have them dominated. If we are up against a naked fd same thing. Only have that has us bad is like 7899.
A998cc has us in pretty bad shape
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09-02-2010 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by stinkypete
is this serious? absolute worst case you have 3 outs. against bare top set you have a million outs. you have wrap + flush draw type hands crushed. oh and did i mention you have the second nuts against gambletard scandies? and you're asking if you should fold getting a billion to 1?
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09-02-2010 , 11:30 AM
Play it like a set!
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