guy played really weird. He would call 35% out of the BB, and play kinda nitty check folding like 55% of the time vs cbets. ANd 3bet like 35% also only cbetting like 25-30% of the time. either check folding or check raising. he check raised about 17% but was pretty passive non tricky overall. Allthough once in a while he would make a pot raise on flop (i started donkbetting as he was only cbetting 35% or so) and pot a somewhat scary turn to give up on blank river. Now for this hand, he would probably raise most good boats on the turn, or do something different on the flop. Allthough its possible he can have like J7. The thing is, i had this gut feeling that he could get tricky once in a while because i was giving his bets lots of respect :/ . Kinda weird spot. But i guess i will always see a nut hand here?

Want to add, he was kinda nitty at first, but when i started tor un him over he started to make light calls. So he adjusted on that area. Or am i overhitnking things here.


Ongame Network $1000.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): $2751.00
BB: $2312.50

Pre Flop: ($20.00) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 6 4 T
Hero raises to $20, BB calls $10

Flop: ($40.00) J 7 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $30.00, BB calls $30

Turn: ($100.00) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $75.00, BB calls $75

River: ($250.00) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $222.00, BB raises to $916

fold

I call with these dynamics, his line is is really odd for anything that beats us & it's not like you have the nuts here too often for him to not bluff

+1

Gut >>> logic

yeah the problem is, it seemed he played that weird style on purpose. You know that feeling when you play some passive guy who doesnt seem stupid, and raising a bit too much in those nasty spots, and you think naaah hes too passive he wont bluff here.. but in the back of your head you think he actually does. but your too scared to call cos you will feel like a s pewy monkey

its not horrible to call here sometimes

keeping em honest $694 at a time

Easiest fold ever. The nitty guy who never C-bets isn't going to make his one spot to bluff a pot-sized CR on the river when he's guaranteed to have showdown value. There's no way in hell that he's bluffing even 10% of the time here. In reality, it's probably under 1%.

We can only go with logic on a forum.

But making gut calls here, correctly, is what makes great players.

That said, your gut read "he could be bluffing" isn't sufficient to make the call.

yeah i think this sums it up

if it's established that he has pot-bet-bluffs in him, don't you think he will call with hands like AKd89d enough on the turn or turn a J+draw into a bluff by the river. i think i usually call here unless i've been thinking that he might trap me 3barreling soon.

two points that makes me wanna call even more:

* he never c/c after 3betting.

* you are deep and he waits until the river to raise

(55** still makes sense but from my experience in these spots against this kinda players i'd hate to fold.)

yeah i agree, allthough he did check call some on the flop. I played him some more, and got in a sort of similar spot and called, and was right. I think i def should have followed my gut on this one. Just that some one is passive in alot of pots doesnt have to mean he cant bluff in big ones. Allthough it is often the ccase. I guess one the one hand there is logic and thinking in ranges, usually they dont bluff here so without being able to determine with hard logic right now that this call is +ev i should take the safe road. and on the other hand there is experience and that undescrible gut feeling. The problem is, that gut feeling is sometimes just frustration letting you make bad plays and otehr times its me being in the zone picking up on patterns subconsiously. I guess the skill lies in knowing when to see the difference between the two with some logic thinking?

Ill stop rambling now :P