10PLO: 2 flop spots with big draws, am I undervalueing my hand?
04-18-2012
, 05:14 PM
Utg villain is 10/10 over 10 (lol sample size) & utg+2 is 94/0 over ~15 hands.
I'm 46% vs top 2, 41% vs sets. I'd expect him to have something decent here cause of the short stack.
Is this a realistic range:
Pro's of jamming flop:
Get it in with the most eq, villain might also get it in with tp+dominated draws.
The short stack isn't going anywhere, extra dead $$$
We don't stand the chance of having to fold paired turns.
Cons:
If he has a set we're "only" 40%.
If we don't jam flop we can call a psb on virtually all turns cause we'll be getting the right odds.
Also, thoughts on river?
I felt it was a crying call given the odds.
The min 3bettor is a tard, 63/26 over 30, the button is also terribad running a solid 41/9 over 83.
This is a more straight forward I feel as they're both really bad so they're ranges consist of less value & more dominated draws.
I'd love your thoughts on the hands cause I'm still formulating thoughts on these spots & trying to come up with the relevant necessary factors.
Also gonna re read the chapter on playing big draws from hwangs book!
I'm 46% vs top 2, 41% vs sets. I'd expect him to have something decent here cause of the short stack.
Is this a realistic range:
| ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation |
| 9,857,220 trials (Exhaustive) |
board: T A 3 |
| Hand | Pot equity | Wins | Ties |
|---|---|---|---|
| Qc5c4dKd | 45.39% | 4,443,836 | 61,317 |
| TT, AA, AT, AQdJd, AJdTd | 54.61% | 5,352,067 | 61,317 |
Pro's of jamming flop:
Get it in with the most eq, villain might also get it in with tp+dominated draws.
The short stack isn't going anywhere, extra dead $$$
We don't stand the chance of having to fold paired turns.
Cons:
If he has a set we're "only" 40%.
If we don't jam flop we can call a psb on virtually all turns cause we'll be getting the right odds.
Also, thoughts on river?
I felt it was a crying call given the odds.
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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UTG: $10 (100 bb)
MP: $4 (40 bb)
Hero (CO): $16.85 (168.5 bb)
BTN: $4.28 (42.8 bb)
SB: $11.63 (116.3 bb)
BB: $35.11 (351.1 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Q
5 4 K
UTG raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 3 folds
Flop: ($1.05) T A 3 (3 players)
UTG bets $1, MP calls $1, Hero calls $1
Turn: ($4.05) 9 (3 players)
UTG bets $3.87, MP calls $2.70 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.87
River: ($14.49) 2 (3 players, 1 is all-in)
UTG bets $4.83 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.83
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UTG: $10 (100 bb)
MP: $4 (40 bb)
Hero (CO): $16.85 (168.5 bb)
BTN: $4.28 (42.8 bb)
SB: $11.63 (116.3 bb)
BB: $35.11 (351.1 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Q
5 4 KUTG raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 3 folds
Flop: ($1.05) T
A 3 (3 players)UTG bets $1, MP calls $1, Hero calls $1
Turn: ($4.05) 9
(3 players)UTG bets $3.87, MP calls $2.70 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.87
River: ($14.49) 2
(3 players, 1 is all-in)UTG bets $4.83 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.83
The min 3bettor is a tard, 63/26 over 30, the button is also terribad running a solid 41/9 over 83.
This is a more straight forward I feel as they're both really bad so they're ranges consist of less value & more dominated draws.
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
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Hero (CO): $32.64 (326.4 bb)
BTN: $19.13 (191.3 bb)
SB: $9.09 (90.9 bb)
BB: $4.82 (48.2 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with K
8 T A
Hero raises to $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, SB raises to $0.70, BB folds, Hero calls $0.35, BTN calls $0.35
Flop: ($2.20) 9 3 6 (3 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $x (pot/call?)
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Hero (CO): $32.64 (326.4 bb)
BTN: $19.13 (191.3 bb)
SB: $9.09 (90.9 bb)
BB: $4.82 (48.2 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with K
8 T AHero raises to $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, SB raises to $0.70, BB folds, Hero calls $0.35, BTN calls $0.35
Flop: ($2.20) 9
3 6 (3 players)SB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $x (pot/call?)
I'd love your thoughts on the hands cause I'm still formulating thoughts on these spots & trying to come up with the relevant necessary factors.
Also gonna re read the chapter on playing big draws from hwangs book!
04-18-2012
, 08:33 PM
1. Of course raise the flop with 15 nut outs and no backdoors. The turn call is OK, 13 outs vs Ax are sufficient for chasing but not shoving. The river seems a call to me too, but not crying, UTG will show AT almost as often as Ax. (If I were crying, I'd fold because the shortie's presence makes UTG show his cards anyway 
)
2. I tend to pot/call readless because minbettors with vast b/f'ing ranges really exist, so it's more like a HU cbet into BTN. If raised, our hand has good odds HU vs anything besides accidental A6.
x are sufficient for chasing but not shoving. The river seems a call to me too, but not crying, UTG will show AT almost as often as Ax. (If I were crying, I'd fold because the shortie's presence makes UTG show his cards anyway )2. I tend to pot/call readless because minbettors with vast b/f'ing ranges really exist, so it's more like a HU cbet into BTN. If raised, our hand has good odds HU vs anything besides accidental A
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