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12-28-2015 , 01:37 PM
Led the flop cause I felt there were lots of turn cards where I could continue barreling if I don't get raised, should I be giving up on the turn, or betting less? Think this might be too creative

888 Poker - $1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $294.51 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
BTN: $190.90 (VPIP: 80.32, PFR: 42.29, 3Bet Preflop: 16.89, Hands: 379)
SB: $233.63 (VPIP: 57.89, PFR: 45.26, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 98)
BB: $97.13 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
UTG: $43.99 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (MP): $159.63

SB posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $1.50) Hero has Q Q 7 J

UTG calls $1.00, Hero calls $1.00, fold, BTN calls $1.00, SB calls $0.50, BB raises to $6.00, fold, Hero calls $5.00, BTN calls $5.00, SB calls $5.00

Flop: ($25.00, 4 players) 9 5 8
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $12.00, fold, fold, BB calls $12.00

Turn: ($49.00, 2 players) 3
BB checks, Hero bets $24.50, BB raises to $79.13 and is all-in, fold

BB wins $94.00
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12-28-2015 , 01:57 PM
Definitely too creative...
I'de also fold pre without a suit.
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12-28-2015 , 02:33 PM
pretty suicidal to try to bluff 3 guys
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12-28-2015 , 03:44 PM
Is there anything wrong with 3Betting PF here to try and thin the herd?? Shouldn't we be betting pot on the flop??

He did check to you on the turn and if he doesn't have the flush, will most likely fold to a bet. Betting the turn can't be that bad here right??
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12-28-2015 , 04:12 PM
I would not continue with this hand after the flop, you bet they call, they bet, then what? You will find better spots than this. You trying to reenact the Titanic?
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12-28-2015 , 05:33 PM
You need to bet a bit more if you're "bluffing" flop. With multiple players on a wet board a half-pot bet is just not going to accomplish much. I don't mind a flop stab or turn stab in principle in this spot though.
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12-28-2015 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bari83
Definitely too creative...
I'de also fold pre without a suit.
This. Every street is just really bad.
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12-28-2015 , 05:46 PM
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Is there anything wrong with 3Betting PF here to try and thin the herd??
Yes. BB likely has a pretty strong range here.
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12-28-2015 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
Yes. BB likely has a pretty strong range here.
Is that the only thing wrong with a 3-bet?

Spoiler:
No.
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12-28-2015 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Skelaton4
I would not continue with this hand after the flop, you bet they call, they bet, then what? You will find better spots than this. You trying to reenact the Titanic?
We are in position. Villain check raises the turn.....
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12-28-2015 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
Yes. BB likely has a pretty strong range here.
So him opening for 6x is what makes us think his range is strong right? Basically, if we are going to call this we should be looking to flop a set on a dry board and give up otherwise right?
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12-28-2015 , 06:59 PM
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So him opening for 6x is what makes us think his range is strong right?
He's not 'opening'. You open when you enter the pot first. He's raising from the big blind (also known as punishing the limpers). Typically people do not raise too light from the big blind because they will be at a positional disadvantage for the rest of the hand. He's also a moderately tight raiser in general.
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12-28-2015 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Wealth$
We are in position. Villain check raises the turn.....
What he was trying to say is how are turns and rivers going to play out? It's important to plan ahead and to recognize potential pitfalls that may arise.
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12-28-2015 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by NMcNasty
You need to bet a bit more if you're "bluffing" flop. With multiple players on a wet board a half-pot bet is just not going to accomplish much. I don't mind a flop stab or turn stab in principle in this spot though.
Lower sizings may look stronger if you like to induce check raises or dominatable hands to draw, set and NFD with str8 block for instance this sizing seems ok

OP

low sizing will get too many callers on average though to allow you to blast the turn fully. I think i would just muck pre, the hand can hit a set into boat but it has very limited redraw which multiway will always give you the small but never the less 'relatively huge' increases in equity where expectation is pretty flat to start with. A club hitting is bad to barrel as you ahve no clubs and blcok straight draws. The flop bet is 'workable' but I'm not barreling this card ont he principle it would be inferior to a river bluff catch or snap fold facing a bad sizing to bluyff catch against. You can check turn with top of your range also. One suit preflop is a must to play imo in this position with so much action on your left still. A turn check makes him less inclined to bluff a NF blocker on river, you still have your gut shot vs a portion of his range, you can still pot all in his river barrel alot of the time which is only significant if your opponent is a 'thinking player' - you ahve no reads so just sit back preflop and post imo.

Last edited by Mt.FishNoob; 12-28-2015 at 07:30 PM.
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