Readless. Do I need to muck the turn here? The only real hand I beat is AQxx making a thin value bet.

Since I dont muck turn, on the river it seems like he has to have JTxx, should I try to vbet? He shouldnt expect me to bet JT myself if I somehow have it after the turn flat, so he shouldnt be checking bigger boats except for 99.

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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SB: $196.50
BB: $129.80
UTG: $241.85
MP: $104.70
Hero (CO): $100.00
BTN: $64.80

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with J 8 9 8
1 fold, MP raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 9 8 A (2 players)
MP bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($20.50) Q (2 players)
MP bets $13, Hero calls $13???

River: ($46.50) Q (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks????

i dont muck turn but i prolly raise flop. but def vbet river i dont see a reason for checking any boat if im him when he was vbettin before

Raise flop, especially readless.

As played... There's a ton of str8 cards in the deck for the turn and Q/7 is the most obv draw, I think c/c is probably good based on bet-sizing. I might also be inclined to donk sometimes, to define villain's range a bit. We do have one J and our line is believable.

This is one of the gazillion spots that demonstrate how slow-playing/pot control oop can blow up in your face. c/r flop and re-evaluate, imo.

We're in position...

I'd flat flop & turn and bet river, prob fold to a c/r

Crap, how do I always manage to misread some part of the HH...

flop is fine, turn is fine, shove river!

bf river

pre/flop/turn good. have to bet river.

how small are we trying to go on the river? I felt like a ginormous vagina checking it back, but there is only JT that calls that we beat, and that might even fold He wont ever c/r bluff me here though, so that isnt a concern. $27 on the river?

I'd bet a reasonably amount, like 3/4 or so prob - I think ppl in rush have been more stationy recently.

fwiw if villain is good I don't mind checking back

this is a very confusing post.

A good villain is going to be betting all boats here that beat me, or they wouldnt have bet the turn. A good villains hand is going to be JT here a very very large % of the time. They will also never bluff me because I will have AQxx so very often and lol @ trying to bluff me off of that. So the better the player the more I should be betting in terms of frequency with A4C here as a bluff.

Meh, I think I should have bet the river for just over 1/2 pot.

Good villains will def c/r sometimes with AA/AQ, they can c/r bluff with Qxxx. They don't necessarily call a bet with JT, as it's only a bluffcatcher with no blockers to the hands your vbetting in a spot where you don't have many hands that want to bluff.

I'm not saying I'd def check back 88xx in your spot, just that checking back has more merit vs good players than the general 100plo rush player who's somewhat bad and stationy

I'd bet 26. Folding to a raise.

Tex, c/r here with Qxxx is suicidal, you do see that right? Either I have a boat and am calling (maybe fold 88/99) but I raise those a lot on the flop. My most likely boat is AQ, I likely dont have JT after flatting turn. So either he beats my random T76x hands, or he loses to the majority of my boats that I never am folding to a c/r (AQ makes up a vast percentage of my boat range here). C/r bluffing in this spot is just plain awful, as is c/r AA/AQ because I check back way too many hands, as you can see from this thread.

And I dont see why you think checking back has more merit vs good players. It seems almost quite the opposite. That said, vs anybody its a b/f on the river and I checked cuz I suck.

I agree that it's practically suicidal, but theoretically its ok...

I mean, assuming he checks boats very rarely you should probably be betting all JTxx to fold him off chops, and AQxx becomes a lot less of your betting range especially when he has a Q blocker.

Well - The reason why c/r bluffing here can work is simply that players such as Tex will fold small boats (other good players will also)

C/r bluff isn't used as a simple bluff... its part metagame, part to stop opponents getting thin value etc etc... Now admittedly that doesnt happpen a whole lot in rush plo100 BUT there are lots of regs so making moves does have value.


Also the asumption people are just calling with JT or Boats here is completely bonkers... they will call with AK, bare queens and some players will randomly call with even sillier holdings. So value bet anyway... you wont get bluff raised enough to worry about it and can happily fold to a raise thus.

It should also be clear that you 'probably' should be folding 88 and 99 as a matter of course when c/r. (I tend not to, and i always feel like i should!)

VB whatever will get called. Probably 2/3 pot.

Good luck

If I get c/r im folding 88 and 99 faster than light speed. Id barely make a crying call here if he bet 3/5 pot. Id fold if he potted. And c/r bluffing and screaming metagame in this situation is just ******ed.

c/r bluffing here is only done by losing players, durrr, and Ivey.

I concede there are a horde of tards who will call me lighter.

Rush players bad and stationy? I thought the consensus was that rush is nittier than regular PLO?

I dunno if that's a joke, but nobody can hand read and nobody folds ****

TBH, I'm asking cause I don't know. My experience outside rush is very limited, only played CAP before, really.