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09-28-2009 , 08:44 PM
Villain who donked is kind of fishy, but no a giant maniac by any means. SB is a tightish player and BB seems like a fish. Is this fold too snug?


Poker Stars $100.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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MP: $189.30
Hero (CO): $135.45
BTN: $87.00
SB: $70.10
BB: $23.50
UTG: $107.45

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with 9 6 A K
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.50, 1 fold, SB calls $4, BB calls $3.50, UTG calls $3.50

Flop: ($18.00) 6 K 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $17.10, Hero folds
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09-28-2009 , 09:14 PM
Call and evaluate on the turn, we got position so might as well use it.
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09-28-2009 , 09:46 PM
Too snug. I'm not folding.
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09-28-2009 , 11:17 PM
never folding the flop... peel and evaluate. I don't even mind a raise there.

call > raise > fold
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09-29-2009 , 12:27 AM
I actually don't mind the fold here. We're in a mildly low SPR situation (~5 and change), so it can't be too wrong to go with top two, but it is a bare top two, and I'm having trouble seeing what in the world a nonidiot would donk on this flop that we're in great shape against. The last thing I would do here is call, though. If you want to go with this, I think a raise is in order, especially if you think you can push him off one of the weaker draws that is still a favorite against you.

The reason I hate a call, is that damn near every card in the deck that doesn't fill us up and isn't an ace is a bad card for us to see on the turn. If a spade turns, and he leads, we're folding. If any card 7 or lower that doesn't fill us up hits, and he leads, we're still in a bad spot, but a less clear one.

The only time I'd like a call here is if you think the villain has a tendency to stab at a drawy board and give up on the turn (i.e. is a good floating target).

As a general rule, I hate calling down with a bare top two on a two flush board, especially ones with straight possibilities.

Maybe I'm a nit. *shrugs*
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09-29-2009 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Andiminator
never folding the flop... peel and evaluate. I don't even mind a raise there.

call > raise > fold
this!
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09-29-2009 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lostwanderer
I actually don't mind the fold here. We're in a mildly low SPR situation (~5 and change), so it can't be too wrong to go with top two, but it is a bare top two, and I'm having trouble seeing what in the world a nonidiot would donk on this flop that we're in great shape against. The last thing I would do here is call, though. If you want to go with this, I think a raise is in order, especially if you think you can push him off one of the weaker draws that is still a favorite against you.

The reason I hate a call, is that damn near every card in the deck that doesn't fill us up and isn't an ace is a bad card for us to see on the turn. If a spade turns, and he leads, we're folding. If any card 7 or lower that doesn't fill us up hits, and he leads, we're still in a bad spot, but a less clear one.

The only time I'd like a call here is if you think the villain has a tendency to stab at a drawy board and give up on the turn (i.e. is a good floating target).

As a general rule, I hate calling down with a bare top two on a two flush board, especially ones with straight possibilities.

Maybe I'm a nit. *shrugs*

word, word
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09-29-2009 , 08:16 PM
If you felt K6 here you're probably not a winning player
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09-29-2009 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CounterfeitKing
If you felt K6 here you're probably not a winning player
you don't have to right away, just see a turn
I'd mostly just be worried about spades, I don't like giving him both a wrap and a fd . u still have AKQJT986 - spades + Ks to feel nice and secure

a fold's probably fine if he's passive however

Last edited by jwc529; 09-29-2009 at 09:46 PM.
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09-29-2009 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CounterfeitKing
If you felt K6 here you're probably not a winning player
you folding or peeling? if folding, mind giving villain a range that has folding correct?
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09-29-2009 , 11:11 PM
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We are coin flipping vs a bare Ks with 3 random side cards, how could we possibly be in good shape vs his felting range. As for calling, there aren't any really turn cards you are going to want to play on besides a K or 6, even something that would be considered a blank such as the 7 could have you drawing to 2 outs and that's IF you were ahead to begin with. The main problem with our "made" hand of top two pair right now is that its never going to be top two pair on the river. Having K6xx on K63 is completely different from having KJxx on KJ3 or AQ on AQ3. Also our relative position sucks here, if SB or BB were looking to c/r we're ****ed.

The villain limped UTG, called an iso raise, and then goes nuts (well not really but hes not playing passively) on a K high board with 2 spades, I wouldn't be too worried about a 2567 with spades type of hand here. His most likely holdings are going to be KKxx or AAxx with spades.
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