Stats on villan: VP57/PR39/Fq50 over 350 hands.

I just calledthe flop because I was deep with him, had position and wanted to see what the others would do, should I just be jamming this flop?

Absolute, $0.50/$1 PL Omaha Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $532.62
UTG: $173.75
CO: $99
BTN: $143.12
SB: $328.38

Pre-Flop: T 9 J K dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, CO calls $1, BTN raises to $4.75, SB calls $4.25, Hero calls $3.75, CO calls $3.75

Flop: ($19) Q 9 6 (4 Players)
SB bets $20.25, Hero calls $20.25, 2 folds

Turn: ($59.50) 4 (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($59.50) T (2 Players)
SB bets $30.37, Hero calls $30.37

Results: $120.24 Pot ($1.75 Rake)
Hero showed T 9 J K and WON $118.49 (+$64.12 NET)
SB showed Q 9 Q 5 and LOST (-$54.87 NET)

DAMMIT I should just be AI on flop, DAMN MY INEXPERIENCE, Checked the equity calculator... easy AI right?

I think you played this fine. I don't like jamming here as you can easily be called by 1 player with a higher flush draw and another with a set and your equity is pretty small here. however i'm not sure calling is correct as you're giving people with a naked flush draw better odds to call. On the turn and river I think it's fine. If you're in isolation I think its an easy push on the flop but I'm not so sure four way.

shove flop... his range is wider than top set

Ship it if you like variance. Obv you are never behind here and the benefits are that you might get rid of the naked NFD from the pot. I would guess his range for donking full pot 4 ways are pretty strong though, having the pair in our hand is what would make me lean towards shipping. The more aggro the SB is and the wider his donk range obv makes us lean more towards shipping.

Also makes good things happen for your reraising range.

You are crushed by any set + nut flush draw, or even two pairs + nut flush draw. Even in the actual hand, his two hearts act as blockers and diminish a bit your equity. 100bb deep it is okay to shove though, considering the size of the pot already.
But 330bb deep it's a no-no.

You can bet the turn, as most lose players will call a bet with a set (hoping to full) or a lower flush. I think you can fold safely to a c/r, although I'd expect him to two-barrel with the nut-flush often.

+1

I agree with caution deep 4-way.In this scenario, the SB is shipping and we aren't in particularly good shape based on the equities below.

9dThJhKc 27.59%
Ah*h** 25.47%
QQ** 46.94%

Interestingly, we're still slight favourite against the made sets and NFD range (QQ**, 99**, 66**, Ah*h**) no matter how many people enter the pot. The more the merrier in fact, 4-way its 32% vs 3 * 22.65%.

Being more realistic, assuming that we know we will isolate (certainly not the case) and discounting Top 2 pair as an unrealistic donk multiway, it is certainly an easy shove.

9dThJhKc 50.80%
QQ**, 99**, 66**, Ah*h**, TJKA, 8TJK 49.20%

Is my logic correct and does my hand range seem reasonable for this hypothetical scenario?

PS Is there a trick to cutting and pasting from ProPokerTools ?

i think my default here is just flatting the flop this deep +position+2players left to act
however even against a pretty tight range we are a favourite otf cs the sb

http://www.propokertools.com/simulat...*h&h3=&h4=&h5=

and this guys stats suggest that he may go broke even lighter

bet turn/ check river ?

no worries against anyone except sb getting it in on the flop, thoughts?

Maybe i am on the more aggro side, but i ship flop here every time when normal stacked, here i might consider to play it like you did.

Thanks pros, awesome responses, I would have Called flop and then b/f 2/3rds-80% pot on turn and checked river.

We're a favourite over his getting it in range on flop. The only thing we're afraid of is him having NFD with something else. We're ahead of everything else including qq. I really don't see how flatting is better it just makes it harder to play and we're inviting better flush draws to come along. I would raise this like 100% unless I was playing on a really tight bankroll.

Heres an example of our equity vs a strong range:

Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: qh 6h 9s
Hand Pot equity
Th 9d Jh Kc 52.44%
qq**, 99**, 66**,q9tj, tjbh*h,j8bh*h,q9jk, ahad*h* 47.56%

If you flat you need to bet the turn and can bet it kinda big since you're deep he's gonna call with qq and 99 anyway because of implied.

Is it really std to get the bolded hands in 300bb deep? what about 100bb?

A guy playing 57/39 over 350 hands is prolly not playing by "2p2 standards"

I definately think that tjbh*h would get it in 300bb deep every time, perhaps the other ones were a bit optimistic. Given this guys stats however it might be possible that he would stack of with some of these hands sometimes. The other times he would probably donkbet/fold which means we got fold equity making a shove good anyway.

tjbh*h ... What does this include, pls?

b[ig] = a,k,q,j

so JT, big heart, any heart

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Thanks again pros. REPOT.