Villain seems pretty straight forward TAG. Seems a little tilted at the moment as I have shipped the last few big pots. If I recall correctly this is the first time he has c/red me on the flop, so I am not sure what to make of it.

Anyways, how stolked are we on this turn? Just shrug and put it in? Benefits of clicking it back? How are you guys playing this hand?

$0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players

Hero (BTN/SB): $597.80
BB: $198.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 Q 8 J
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.00) T 9 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB raises to $21, Hero raises to $69, BB calls $48

Turn: ($144.00) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero...

he has less than pot left? i'd check it back turn and probably would never fold river (this might be wrong :P), if he checks river we bet.

hm i'd probably time down and shove. i wouldn't like to give freecards against hands that have outs against us since the pot is big already. i certainly think you get called by worse as well, if he has you beat there's nothing you can do imo.

not sure if checking back to induce bluffs has value, it certainly might, esp against a tilted opponent, kinda dependant on how he's tilting, whether he bluffs too much or gets suspicious..

You got it

If he's behind, he generally has zero outs

I mean the guy never has a set here right? If he has some random twopair so be it Istill ike checking it back much more than betting myself. Call any river bet obv... However probably check back a river if it pairs the board right? Or should we bet pot on paired board on the river hoping to fold out potential Khigh/Ahigh flushes? I mean our hand looks like a set and nothing else if we check back the turn.

if he has a K+high flush, he will probably bet any river iwhen we check turn if he is any good. So i dont think we can make him fold better flush often enough to make a bluff profitable.

As for the hand, i check turn and call river most of the time (the 2% i dont do it are for when i have a sick soul read). If he checks i shove river.

wat

pls explain ?

you should learn how to read the board:P
we have the 3rd nuts ott

you should learn to read.
i was answering to justamazing about how we will never turn our 3rn nut flush into a bluff to make fold better flush.

I don't like checking here. If villain is a straight forward tag, is he really check-raising here with ONLY a naked K+ High flush draw? I'd put him on a range of TT98, TT99, JT98, TTxx or something like that. It's possible he has the same draw as we do on the flop but without the redraw to the flush. Or he has a set and checked the turn hoping for a free card. I think if he did hold A x he'd bet the turn the majority of the time since he's a straight forward tag and doesn't give us a free card (which is why I don't like checking behind on the turn). I think putting him all in is the best thing to do here. It's aggressive and puts the difficult decision on him.

AC

It would be very surprising if he had a set. there is nothing wrong w shoving turn but i think we will have more value on the river, when he will bluff + he'll probably call lighter on the river. Sometimes a 9 will fall and we will loose to T9xx but its no big deal

Im actually kinda stuck between shoving and checking this turn, the both seem like great options (villain dependant) and they both have there pros and cons. I think a set is gettin this in on flop like most of time. Villain's range on flop IMO is like draws and two pair hands mostly. Once the turn hits and villain checks, idk that makes me want to put him on wraps and 2 pair almost always. Most of which will prob fold to turn shove, so idk I guess checking back turn and calling, or shoving riv may be the best option but, idk its close imo and in the moment I may just shove turn even though i now think its prob 2nd best

if you check back you can obv never fold the river
i think it depends how often ud expect him to spaz shove the river once u check turn because all he can rep on this river is a flush, idk i thinkk shoving turn is better if you have an aggressive dynamic and would be making this move as a bluff ever, he calls of all flushes for sure + if he's tilting he might call off stuff like 789J or w/e
I just really cant see him calling off a shove on the end with a junky two pair/shoving air because to call the flop he most likely has a hand with some showdown value but i might be wrong....

so it seems like we need to somehow give him a hand range in order to make the decision, and since this is our first experience with him c/ring the flop it seems kind of hard to do that.

With that in mind, as a default I think checking back the turn might be best decision and calling off any river, and obv vbet if checked too again.

sound reasonable?

yes

+1

I think he never has the nutflush or K-high flush on turn because 99% of the time he would just pot turn with those hands.. why else is he calling your flop re-pot if not to get it in when he hits? So, he either has a low set or 2pair or some good wrap maybe with a lower FD like J9xx or like apir+FD with the T, and decided not to get it in for 200BB, but to see a turn and re-evaluate.

That said, I think you have the best hand probably 95% of the time on turn, and if you think he would spazz call with a set or lower flush, then pot turn. If you think he may choose to bluff river, or he may be more inclined to c/c river with sets or loser flushes because you check back the turn, and he doesn't think you would do that with a flush - then check back turn and call river if he pots or pot yourself if he checks. However, 20% of the time the board will pair on the river, and if he pots then, you might have to fold...

Cant be bad - as has been said how often he spazzs river/how often he calls turn shove

if we dont know then ye checking back and shoving/calling river gives best chance for him to spazz his money in i spose nh

Well...no.

Ck turn for sure, I'd consider folding a T river tho if he shoves, given that our line is repping a made hand on the flop so well.

Folding only a T board pair? Calling if he shoves a 9?

it depends on how aggressive he sees us as being, if very aggressive/really pushing him around now that ur owning him, put him all in / bet 35 on turn/call all in/put him all in on the river

if you haven't been caught making moves/controlling the action and have let him be the aggressive one then check turn/call river or if he checks time down a little and arrrr in