Villian is harrinton big winner in these games he views me as a tag he's dropped about 2 1/2 stacks in about 20min.


On the flop he snap called my c/r, what do you guys think about my line? Any better lines you could advise?

Poker Stars $10/$20 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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BTN: $2827.00
Hero (SB): $3196.00
BB: $497.00
UTG: $6225.00
CO: $2009.00

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with K 4 K 9
2 folds, BTN raises to $60, Hero calls $50, 1 fold

Flop: ($140.00) 6 3 Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $138, Hero raises to $552, BTN calls $414

Turn: ($1244.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1242, Hero raises to $2584 all in

horrific

i realy dont like ur c/r on turn as u prob playin vs str8 and u got only 9 outs
i think fold is the best line here or bettin pot and get commited if he shove the turn
i think he never folds the turn after gettin so much money into the pot

i also like rr pf and maby c r flop or bet pot on flop and see what he doin

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I wouldn't say it's horrific, but I think betting is a lot better than C/Ring since you're more likely to get a better hand to fold by betting (say two pair that was waiting for a safe turn) than you are to get in as a large equity favorite by C/Ring. Even something like Qxxx with the NFD, we'd prefer a fold. (Not saying that's a likely holding at all given the flop action but it's a possibility.)

i would probably lead the flop almost 150bb deep as i would with qqq some of the time.. don't really like the flop check raise

c/f isn't out of the question here. if I play, I am leading.

look I like to put pressure on as much as the other guy, but seriously, taking the line that involves putting our entire stack with the lowest fold equity with a hand that is basically never going to be a favourite when called is horrific, unless you've got a hero-read that KK is still best here

also hate the flop c/r, nothing good can come of it, betting is so much better

FWIW, I often think that my C/R frequency is low enough to be pretty exploitable in a tough enough lineup, but I still would check/raise this flop 100% of the time against a solid TAG and I don't think it's close.

Edit: Although if this is Harrington10, it looks like he might swing a little toward the nitty TAP side rather than the solid smart TAG side which would make leading look a lot more attractive. Only have 140 hands on him though, so I'm not sure how accurate that is.

weird, I fail to understand why you'd ever c/r this flop in a HU pot vs a nit with our hand

not saying c/r flops is bad or anything, but PLO is far from solved and who cares about balance or whatever when everyone is so bad (ourselves included probably), I think simply continuing to barrell or b/3b is far superior to a flop c/r, all a c/r does is turn our hand into a bluff and make the villain play the strong end of his range vs the weaker end of our's (overpair with non-nfd is pretty weak OOP with ~2 psb behind, no?)

The read provided in the OP doesn't say he's a nit. It basically says he's a solid aggressive player. The only way I could extrapolate that he's a nit is to look at my own database where I have a small sample if it's even the same player. If he really C-bets <50%, (has C-bet in 4/9 opportunities in my DB), then I agree that leading is better.

However, if he's a solid aggressive player (as OP implies), he should be C-betting everything except a few weak draws he wans to protect since the board's so dry. Then, you look at a typical good aggro player's opening range OTB, and you see that there's a super-wide range of hands he should be betting here that we're way ahead of. Even against his calling range, I think we're ahead since this board's so hard to hit. AAxx+NFD, QQxx, and 66xx are the only hands that villain's likely to have that beat us while we dominate wraps, combo draws, and Qxxx+FD hands.

i cr allin here with this sometimes( very seldom though i think) but never without a read and history :/
some guys would never bet here without the straight whereas other would see our turn check as weak and bet a wider range than they would call if we lead.

With no background info the play looks really bad :/

I never said the villian is a nit he's far from that I would say he runs around 37/29 or higher pushes draws very agro.

So In this hand I thought his range for potting this flop was any fd str8 draw and air. My image was pretty nitty at the time so once I c/r pot he's most likely putting me on a set. Now the obv 457 draw comes in and I want to let him rep that * one hand so I c/r ai.


Thats my thoughts on it,


Let me know what you think,

my data on harrington10 has him a lot lower than 37/29 and he IS pretty nitty post flop

this is possible, but so is that he called your c/r with a good hand given your tight image and then figured he was good on the turn given you checked and then bet his good hand on the turn and that he is going to call your crai getting like 4 or 5 to 1

I think my story is way more likely than yours

i c/f turn pretty fast.

Why going for a checkraise on turn? the only think you managde to do was to get him commited when ur on a draw with one card to come...when he calls your C/R on the flop I think his most likley to have 2pair or a wrap cause a set he would most likley shove there.
so if you pot the turn instead of going for a C/R you have a chance to get him to fold the 2pair, ofcourse your not going to make him fold the wrap now when he most likely would have hit his str8.

I dont think you should get yourself into spots were you commit your opponent when u have a simple flushdraw.

I don't hate it, but would definately need a decent read.