Disclaimer: NLH player here, starting to put some energy into PLO but I'm basically a big nit for now.

This hand takes place in my regular NLH game - we play one PLO hand each orbit. The PLO play is pretty terrible but there are players who are less terrible than me. Not many who I think of as good though. Lots of the PLO hands from this session were basically family pots except me and one other player were actually practicing some hand selection. Game is $1/3 but $6 button straddle is very common.

I don't have any history with Villain. Folks at the table know him so I it seems like he's here at least semi-regularly. The fact that I don't recognize him has me thinking me may play predominantly PLO (I don't know that player pool well).

$1/3 button has straddled to $6
I have $750
Villain covers

I'm in the SB with T 9 7 6 and I call $6
BB calls $6
utg folds
utg+1 calls $6
mp calls $6
CO (Villain) raises to $15
button folds
I call $15
BB calls $15
utg+1 calls $15
mp calls $15


Flop ($81) 8 7 5

I check
BB checks
utg+1 bets $80
mp calls $80
CO calls $80
I call $80
BB folds

Turn ($401) J

I check
utg+1 checks
mp checks
CO bets $400
???
I have $650 left

Fold pre. Unsuited hands are garbage - even more so when they're low semi- rundowns. Triply more so when you're in the worst position of the table by far. First to act in SB because of BTN straddle with several still to act - even if you come from NLH surely you know how terrible this is? Hand selection here should be insanely tight.

Now you get to find out why it's bad because you're in a spot where you have the nuts but there are 2 flush draws out there and you could be getting free-rolled.

Anyway, flop you should just jam. Not too likely you're being free-rolled at this point and there's so much in the pot that you can just happily GII. OTT I think you have no choice but to GII either given the description of the game. Sucks that you might be getting free-rolled but SPR is too shallow to care that much.

Also on flop he has the higher straight redraw w/ 69T, even if he's vs 69hh.

OP - in NLHE, would you slowplay a straight into 8 other players when there are 2 hearts on the board? Like you're basically doing the same here, there are 16 other cards out, someone will always have a FD basically, and you have to charge here and repot over.

You would do well to suggest to the people who run the game to get rid of the button straddle. And if they don't, you would do well to abuse the edge it gains you. First up: fold like 90%+ from the sb. SB already a terrible position, far moreso in button straddle games. In even average aggression games you probably only want to play hands from the SB and BB that you're willing to go AIPF with.

As played flop call is fine, turn what's the question? Put the rest of your money in and don't be surprised when the river comes J and you still scoop.

This.

Also, 7 can't be in your hand and on the board so I assume you probably have like the 9 and 7 or some other such rainbow hand.

On the turn, let's say you jam and the other two fold I think you probably get a result like this:

ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.3 Professional)
Omaha Hi, Generic syntax
Board - 8c5h7hJc
PLAYER_1 9sTh6d7c
PLAYER_2 QJT9,JT98,T987,9876,T986, T976, JxJy[8y+][6x+], Acchh, Ahhcc
51560 trials (exhaustive)


All-in Equity

	Equity %	Wins Hi %	Ties Hi %	Wins Hi Count	Ties Hi Count
9sTh6d7c	55.2356%	41.5962%	27.2789%	21447	14065
QJT9,JT98,T987,9876,...	44.7644%	31.1249%	27.2789%	16048	14065

Final pot will be $1700 and after some simplifications of the EV equation we get:
EV = 0.416*1700 + 0.273*(0.5*400+650) - 650
EV = +289.25

Let's keep the villain at the same range, and add another opponent who comes along with an Ace high flush and let's say they have you exactly covered.

ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.3 Professional)
Omaha Hi, Generic syntax
Board - 8c5h7hJc
PLAYER_1 9sTh6d7c
PLAYER_2 QJT9,JT98,T987,9876,T986, T976, JxJy[8y+][6x+], Acchh, Ahhcc
PLAYER_3 Acchh, Ahhcc
600000 trials (randomized)


All-in Equity

	Equity %	Wins Hi %	Ties Hi %	Wins Hi Count	Ties Hi Count
9sTh6d7c	40.8030%	26.5095%	28.7857%	159057	172714
QJT9,JT98,T987,9876,...	26.6046%	12.8792%	27.6495%	77275	165897
Acchh, Ahhcc	32.5925%	31.7863%	1.8110%	190718	10866

Again, after some simplifications we can find:
EV = (400 + 3*650) (0.265+0.2878/2) - 650
EV = +310.9

You'd have to tighten up the villains range significantly to consider a fold here. Let's do that

ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.3 Professional)
Omaha Hi, Generic syntax
Board - 8c5h7hJc
PLAYER_1 9sTh6d7c
PLAYER_2 QJT9,JT98,T987,T986, T976, JxJy[8y+][6x+], Ac[2c+][Qh+][8h+], Ah[2h+][Qc+][8c+]
600000 trials (randomized)


All-in Equity

	Equity %	Wins Hi %	Ties Hi %	Wins Hi Count	Ties Hi Count
9sTh6d7c	50.8812%	26.1490%	49.4643%	156894	296786
QJT9,JT98,T987,T986,...	49.1188%	24.3867%	49.4643%	146320	296786

How often does PLAYER_2 have a four flush by the turn = 58.7383%


EV = +214.9

And if we say villain never has a set here then it's still +158. Finally, if we give villain only the aforementioned straight wrap'ish hands so that we NEVER win outright we finally drop to +82. In this scenario, he is never pure bluffing a flush draw or the double flush draws nor does he have a set, only a made nut straight with possible free rolls.


I feel like this is a high EV high variance situation, which is the beauty of Omaha.

You're making the EV calc very complicated. It's just equity % from your results * total pot size (1700 2 handed or 2350 3 handed) - 650 (price to call)

E.g. .55236 * 1700 - 650 = 289.01

Slight differences due to rounding but whatever

You have nuts with redraw on flop and can check pot most of your stack. Getting folds and cleaning up equity is nice.

Fold pre ainec.

You know, I thought that was likely the case and was just going to proceed as if it was the case and then I second-guessed it and decided to just calculate it based on what I knew to be correct (although more complicated), and I had planned to go back and cross-reference.

Thank you for the confirmation.