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03-20-2008 , 01:26 PM

Praetor

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Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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Hero (SB): $204.65
BB: $559.75
UTG: $76.00
MP: $40.00
CO: $200.00
BTN: $153.00

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with K

1 fold, MP raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero raises to $23, BB calls $21, MP raises to $40 all in, Hero raises to $143, BB calls $120

Flop: ($326.00) T

(3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero bets $61.65 all in

BB is a total unknown, I've just sat down. Shorty is a regular ratholar plays 21/15

BB thought a decent amount before making both calls

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03-20-2008 , 01:34 PM

Hattifnatt

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call or just dump the hand the first time around. after the shortie shoves I dont mind your reraise at all.

flop bet is automatic of course.

EDIT: like -> mind

Last edited by Hattifnatt; 03-20-2008 at 01:42 PM.

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03-20-2008 , 01:37 PM

Praetor

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why dont you like the iso raise? getting it HU with dead money with a hand prolly ahead of his range?

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03-20-2008 , 01:37 PM

Elrazor

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i dont like the repot on the flop against the ss - just call and play for value in position

flop is standard

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03-20-2008 , 01:40 PM

Hattifnatt

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Originally Posted by Praetor

why dont you like the iso raise? getting it HU with dead money with a hand prolly ahead of his range?

cause its only $2 in dead money (assuming BB folds) and you are up vs a Good short stacker that probably have a good hand.

most likely you are a very small favourite but if he happens to have aces youre a very big dog.

also, sometimes BB wakes up with aces or coldcalls and it becomes trouble later in the hand.

edited my first post, but to be clear I dont like the FIRST raise but the OTHER raise after shortie shoves is fine for sure.

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03-20-2008 , 01:41 PM

Praetor

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I mean the repot after the shorty shoves, theres $23 dead money in there

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03-20-2008 , 01:46 PM

Hattifnatt

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Originally Posted by Praetor

I mean the repot after the shorty shoves, theres $23 dead money in there

ah, meant to write mind. was just a little fast.

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03-20-2008 , 01:49 PM

TheMagnet

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I like the re- pot, Shorties hand is Irrelevant, we're getting 3/1 on the dead money if BB folds and we know we have the best hand if he calls, so its -EV for him and +EV for us given the post flop stack sizes.
Calling has to be worse than raising here, Hero made a decision to isolate and play for stacks vs shortie and BB gets involved, repotting cannot be worse than calling.

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03-20-2008 , 04:15 PM

binions

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I don't get the first re-raise to $23. But that's just me.

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03-20-2008 , 07:11 PM

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Praetor

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Are naked Kings not good enough to get it in for 20BB in PLO vs a standard short stacker?

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03-20-2008 , 07:16 PM

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Hattifnatt

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Originally Posted by Praetor

Are naked Kings not good enough to get it in for 20BB in PLO vs a standard short stacker?

depends but its somewhat like getting it in with 55 in holdem vs a 20bb stack, most of the time you are flipping or are a small favourite but often you are crushed by a higher pair...

the logic should be obvious but its that you are often running into AAxx in PLO and a pair of sixes or higher in the holdem example.

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