did somebody really say not to eat salmon?

jesus

This isn't going to happen. The reason it's not going to happen is if ytf eats 2000 (or whatever) calories worth of this crap he's going to be super hungry and it will feel like torture for him. His options are giving up on eating less and break his calorie goal/quit this thread or to start eating food that will be filling enough for him to not feel tortured while still hitting his calorie goal.

So much face palm.
First: He shouldn't just start eating 1600 calories. He has a BMR of roughly 2411.4. With the Harris Benedict Equation, that means he can eat 2893 calories a day and maintain his size. So, to lose a pound a week he needs to eat 2393/day. Or roughly around there.
Second: I think he honestly just needs to get into the habit of tracking calories. That should be his first goal and only goal currently. Every day, all day, everything that goes into his mouth gets tracked. Habits don't get changed in one broad stroke. Habits get changed in tiny amounts. Do too much and you're just setting yourself up for failure.

Also, if you've been so successful "dieting" why do you do it so often? Why have you been on so many?

I haven't read all this thread sorry but there was a programme recently called "Secret Eaters" on telly, it was about fat people saying they tried to diet all the time but to no good success.

So they secretly followed the fatties while asking them to compile a list of what they ate daily. By the end of it there was a massive difference between the two lists, double the amount of cals in most cases. The fatties said they didn't even realise they were eating that amount, it's like mindless eating a couple of bags of crisps here a chocolate bar there it just didn't register, anyway here's a link its worth a watch.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/secret-eaters/4od

Correct me if I'm wrong suzzer, but you've lost significant amounts of weight in the past only to gain it back. You've had a multiyear weightloss thread in H&F with lozen where the two of you have lost something like 10 combined pounds. What makes you think any of the diets you're advocating are any more sustainable?

you guys are strawmanning and extrapolating ha ha ha hard. i mean, ya, we are def saying to eat 2-3k cals of pasta. rite, exactly. yall shud read my first poasts in this thread. pretty sure i advocating managing hunger by finding the foods that are the moast satiating for ytf.

same as yall are. except i dont portend to kno wat fills him up. since ya kno, ppl are different. i also dont equate a bit of carbs with insta fat packing.

Yeah this approach usually works only for males.

yeota, this post is pertinent

You realize he's been on plenty of diets before right? It's not like this is all going to be brand new and wondrous to him.

I only said 1600 because someone else said that. Whatever his caloric intake, bagels and oreos is not the way to get there.

If I'm not dieting I get fat. When I get fat I have to diet. The diets work when I do them. It helps to change them up because the same thing gets boring. A new diet tends to get me more fired up to stick with it for a while.

Suzzer also said brown rice is "much better" than white rice, which is completely false. They are virtually identical nutritionally and choosing one or the other will have no almost effect on weight loss. This is a common myth. He might as well start telling him to sear his meat to lock in the juices.

Yeah, you're completely missing the point.

I lost 50 lbs a couple years ago. I've gained back 20, kept off 30.

No diet or program I know of other than crank fad diets is ok with oreos and bagels. Please feel free to list one other than the hypothetical proposed itt. Maybe I'm wrong. Do we all agree that the core guys in H&F are pretty smart about this stuff? I think YTF should defer to them anyway.

Well I didn't know so I googled and the top 10 results all said whole grain brown rice. Do you have any source for this?

It is going to be new to him suzzer. In the past, his "diets" have been filled with gross misconceptions and listening to advice from people who understand as little as he did about anything nutrition or weight loss related. He's educating himself on food and what works for him to eat while feeling full and hitting his calorie goal. He absolutely doesn't need a gimmicky "diet", he will figure out what works and doesn't work for him to eat as long as he tracks his calories diligently and accurately.

The problem is the foods that he likes are calorie dense, fat/carb based foods. The man has stated this whole thread about how his biggest obsticle is hunger. Telling the man he can eat pasta alfredo and dressings and pizza, but just less of it, is technically correct, bit compeltely ignores the personal obsticles stated in this thread. Its compeletely detrimental to long term success.

He needs to begin changing his behavior and his palet. There are no reasons he cant eat good sized portions, of good tasting foods, and still fit into the ctiteria of his diet. They just have to be the right foods.

it depends who you class as core guys?

My brother went from about 350 to about 190. As far as I could tell he ate almost only turkey sandwiches, bananas, bagels, and cereal. And he swam for about 3 hours a day. He's kept the weight off for many years now - without much regular exercise.

My Dad, went from who knows how much, maybe 500lbs, to maybe 240lbs and he was super Atkins and wouldn't touch anything bread like. He had diabetes though and carbs were a problem with that too.

The 'eat 500 cals less than maintenance each day' diet is ok with oreos and bagels, and it works!

This is what basically every nutritionist on earth would tell him. But what do they know?

If the guy has proven to have no control over his eating, why having temping, dense coloretic foods in his vicinity? Its like telling a herroin addict that that, sure you can keep some H in the house, BUT DONT SHOOT IT UP!

Doesn't this prove the point? Higher protein, 1/3 again as much food by weight for the same amount of calories. I think the lentils win by a wide margin here.

Nutritionists hate carbs imo

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Seriously YTF don't listen to suzzer. Don't worry about what you're actually eating eat whatever you want just count the calories religiously, stick to whatever MyFitnessPal told you for a calorie number (2700ish i'm guessing?) and weigh yourself at the same time every day. Keep track of everything and revisit in like 2 weeks when you have a little data to go on.

The beauty of the first-law-of-thermodynamics diet is there's no guilt as long as you're under your calories for the day. 1000 calories under and want to have a whopper or a milkshake or or or? go for it.

Another main problem is the use of the world "Diet" in this thread. We should be aiming to put this man on a "diet", but make him begin a lifestyle change process.

Which method being advocated do you think would be more akin to a long term lifestyle change?