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05-20-2014 , 05:23 PM
Are you also working towards becoming a sports journalist, RF?
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05-20-2014 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by RiverFenix
LOL

NHA can you tell us more about the second bomb that went off? What was your experience with that one?
Maybe its time to address the posts about the lack of sources that your source has. Or about how explosions are not 360 degrees. Or how there is actually enough of clear evidence to prove bombings and only a few photographs that you have a different opinion on to prove it didn't happen as has been covered. Maybe its time to leave before javi makes you look like a drooling jackass typing random words and helping a laughable niche market make their money. You know the words follow the money ? You probably should apply your critical thinking and actually follow the money.

The worst part is that this instance/thread will only strengthen your views on how stupid everyone is and what a special snowflake you are. Good luck with that.

Last edited by Yakmelk; 05-20-2014 at 05:32 PM. Reason: science and psychology, how does it work
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05-20-2014 , 05:35 PM
HEY EVERYBODY I'VE UNCOVERED A CONSPIRACY! IT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND!

RIVER FENIX IS DAVID MCGOWAN!!!!!

Damn, don't I feel like Nancy freakin' Drew.
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05-20-2014 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RiverFenix
Were you around the second bomb site? What did you see, what was it like?
2.5 blocks away

an explosion. first a orange/yellow flash, and then debris/smoke shooting upwards. it looked like it came from the edge of the sidewalk, definitely a distance from the building, but not in the street either.
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05-20-2014 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Yakmelk
Maybe its time to address the posts about the lack of sources that your source has. Or about how explosions are not 360 degrees. Or how there is actually enough of clear evidence to prove bombings and only a few photographs that you have a different opinion on to prove it didn't happen as has been covered. Maybe its time to leave before javi makes you look like a drooling jackass typing random words and helping a laughable niche market make their money. You know the words follow the money ? You probably should apply your critical thinking and actually follow the money.

The worst part is that this instance/thread will only strengthen your views on how stupid everyone is and what a special snowflake you are. Good luck with that.
McGowan has plenty of sources, as I said hes a boss researcher. Just because they arent listed on his site and not all those quotes are online searchable doesnt mean they dont exist (OMFG LOL RF IS GULLIBLE!!). Javi is a twit grasping at any straw he can to sound intelligent, I've refuted everything he has posted so he simply invents new lines of dialog. It's trivial work that's beneath me to keep pandering to the idiots in this thread (feral, javi, suzzer, wookie, etc). For example of how good McGowan is why dont you go download a free pdf of his book "Programmed to Kill". In it's 350 pages he uses over 400 sources. Why don't you buy copies of his books "Understanding the F-Word" or "Inside Laurel Canyon", you'll find 100s of references. Are you going to tell me someone who approaches those topics with such gusto and depth is just going to decide to skimp and fabricate all his quotes, data, and information when it comes to the moon? Thats what an idiot like Javi will tell you, and that's what an idiot like you will believe.
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05-20-2014 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by NHA
2.5 blocks away

an explosion. first a orange/yellow flash, and then debris/smoke shooting upwards. it looked like it came from the edge of the sidewalk, definitely a distance from the building, but not in the street either.
Cool thanks for telling me your experience, I wasn't trying to set you up or anything just wondering what it was like for you.

You were 2.5 blocks away and have no really no relevant input so I can't ask you any questions that will prove or disprove it to be a hoax.
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05-20-2014 , 06:03 PM
You haven't refuted a damn thing, in fact everything that you've questioned has been explained to you quite reasonably, which you then ignore. The only "evidence" you've come up with is a photo of a dinosaur bone asking what the red stuff is, and photos of the Boston marathon saying "look at the different coloured smoke!" That's probably why we've gone from Big Dino, to the moon landings, to Boston with a sprinkling of Sandy Hook, everything is explained to you guys, so you jump to the next conspiracy theory and round we go again.
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05-20-2014 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by huet38
What you all don't realize is many conspiracy theorists are actually plants from the government in order to create arguments that are easy to disprove in order to discredit the entire "research enhancing true awareness related discussion" movement. They endeavor to hide the true clues under a pile of ridiculous "evidence." For instance, for every moment we talk about that stupid pants thing, everyone is becoming more and more convinced the bombing was real, regardless of the actual mistakes the government made. Of course most conspiracy theorists aren't government plants, but instead are just easily influenced by a few powerful thought leaders.
TL;DR: Undercover agents of the government infiltrate our movement to discredit it by propagating stupid theories.
Lol at the movement name...well done
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05-20-2014 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by giraffeboy
You haven't refuted a damn thing, in fact everything that you've questioned has been explained to you quite reasonably, which you then ignore. The only "evidence" you've come up with is a photo of a dinosaur bone asking what the red stuff is, and photos of the Boston marathon saying "look at the different coloured smoke!" That's probably why we've gone from Big Dino, to the moon landings, to Boston with a sprinkling of Sandy Hook, everything is explained to you guys, so you jump to the next conspiracy theory and round we go again.
I forgot to add you to the list of idiots but you were definitely included in ETC. It's almost comical that the ETCs have such poor reading comprehension that you cannot see that your side has more unanswered questions and less answers then mine.
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05-20-2014 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I see pictures that happened some X seconds after the bomb went off. I want to see a picture from before the bomb went off. You have no idea where he was standing when the bomb went off.

And even if he was 10 feet away, you have no idea whether that's enough distance for the blast to degrade to pants-ripping force. Nor do you know what might have been in between Jeff and the pants guy to take some of the brunt of the blast (including Jeff). Nor do you understand the first thing about how explosions work - how there can be waves and directional forces within a blast (especially from something like a homemade pressure cooker bomb with uneven levels of explosives, uneven restraining forces, etc) that concentrate power in some areas and leave others relatively unscathed.

Which side of this would you want to be on when it explodes - the side we can see or the side the hand is holding?

So RF, do you concede you have no answers to these questions? You changed the subject pretty quick there.
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05-20-2014 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RiverFenix
Cool thanks for telling me your experience, I wasn't trying to set you up or anything just wondering what it was like for you.

You were 2.5 blocks away and have no really no relevant input so I can't ask you any questions that will prove or disprove it to be a hoax.
How is it no relevant info to see an explosion when people are claiming nothing happened (from across the ocean)?

Do you have anything in terms of interesting questions that discredit the narrative or does "what was it like for you?" satisfy your curiosity? For someone who wasn't there and seems mega skeptical, you seem pretty at peace with knowing little of a witness's experience. Especially when that witness could have been the victim of this government conspiracy.
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05-20-2014 , 06:31 PM
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So RF, do you concede you have no answers to these questions? You changed the subject pretty quick there.
Thats the point when I decided Suzzer is an idiot and not worth responding to anymore. Hes harping on how I have 0 knowledge of bomb mechanics so I can't possibly comment on the bomb. He has 0 bomb knowledge so he cannot comment on the bomb too. What we're left with is simple observation and deduction. We have seen that a bomb that explodes right next to Jeff and tears his legs off only impacts his lower body. We have seen that the same bomb will do nothing more than surface damage to the people surrounding him. We have seen that the same bomb will shred most peoples clothes. We have seen that the bomb will blow out a window ~20 feet from the bomb but the people in front of the window remain fine (who will choose to make an idiotic point about the window and sonic waves that blew out two stories of windows??). We have seen that the bomb that is this powerful will not even make a dent in wood and mesh right next to where the bomb went off.

This is the most interesting bomb of all time to have such anomalies. I'm sure this is due to our collective lack of understanding of how bombs work though!
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05-20-2014 , 06:33 PM
NSFW Graphic Bombing Photo

Spoiler:

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05-20-2014 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by NHA
Do you have anything in terms of interesting questions that discredit the narrative or does "what was it like for you?" satisfy your curiosity? For someone who wasn't there and seems mega skeptical, you seem pretty at peace with knowing little of a witness's experience. Especially when that witness could have been the victim of this government conspiracy.
Im not claiming an explosion never happened and you seeing it means nothing. You were 2.5 blocks away from the second explosion, how close were you to the first? You'd have to be within a close range to have any sort of important input. Can we see you in these pictures and if not why do you think you being there has more relevance than pictures that are closer and not subject to observer bias?
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05-20-2014 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RiverFenix
Thats the point when I decided Suzzer is an idiot and not worth responding to anymore. Hes harping on how I have 0 knowledge of bomb mechanics so I can't possibly comment on the bomb. He has 0 bomb knowledge so he cannot comment on the bomb too. What we're left with is simple observation and deduction. We have seen that a bomb that explodes right next to Jeff and tears his legs off only impacts his lower body. We have seen that the same bomb will do nothing more than surface damage to the people surrounding him. We have seen that the same bomb will shred most peoples clothes. We have seen that the bomb will blow out a window ~20 feet from the bomb but the people in front of the window remain fine (who will choose to make an idiotic point about the window and sonic waves that blew out two stories of windows??). We have seen that the bomb that is this powerful will not even make a dent in wood and mesh right next to where the bomb went off.

This is the most interesting bomb of all time to have such anomalies. I'm sure this is due to our collective lack of understanding of how bombs work though!
Ok, just wanted to confirm you didn't refute those points (and still haven't).

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05-20-2014 , 06:37 PM
Me being there confirms it happened. Your buddy is saying it's all a hoax and nothing went down. Get your stories straight.
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05-20-2014 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RiverFenix
Thats the point when I decided Suzzer is an idiot and not worth responding to anymore. Hes harping on how I have 0 knowledge of bomb mechanics so I can't possibly comment on the bomb. He has 0 bomb knowledge so he cannot comment on the bomb too. What we're left with is simple observation and deduction. We have seen that a bomb that explodes right next to Jeff and tears his legs off only impacts his lower body. We have seen that the same bomb will do nothing more than surface damage to the people surrounding him. We have seen that the same bomb will shred most peoples clothes. We have seen that the bomb will blow out a window ~20 feet from the bomb but the people in front of the window remain fine (who will choose to make an idiotic point about the window and sonic waves that blew out two stories of windows??). We have seen that the bomb that is this powerful will not even make a dent in wood and mesh right next to where the bomb went off.

This is the most interesting bomb of all time to have such anomalies. I'm sure this is due to our collective lack of understanding of how bombs work though!
I know basic physics, which you clearly don't.

You know when there is a large explosion and they talk about blowing out windows a mile away? How come everyone in that mile radius isn't dead? It's almost like there are different physical forces at play that you don't understand the first thing about.

How do you know these are anomalies? What do pressure cooker bombs generally behave like? When did we see half that **** you're asserting? You never even mentioned any of this yet so how are we supposed to respond yet? What wood and mesh? The fence?

What if I told you that a hurricane can destroy buildings and leave something as flimsy as a reed standing? Why do you think that is? Or are hurricanes not real?
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05-20-2014 , 06:43 PM
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Im not claiming an explosion never happened and you seeing it means nothing. You were 2.5 blocks away from the second explosion, how close were you to the first?
What kind of question is this? You're the expert here. The first bomb was a block closer to the finish line. You do the math.

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You'd have to be within a close range to have any sort of important input.
Oh. And where were you?
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05-20-2014 , 06:44 PM


i do declare you the moast interesting bomb of all time!
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05-20-2014 , 06:49 PM
What are your thoughts on MythBusters?
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05-20-2014 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by RiverFenix
We have seen that the bomb will blow out a window ~20 feet from the bomb but the people in front of the window remain fine (who will choose to make an idiotic point about the window and sonic waves that blew out two stories of windows??). We have seen that the bomb that is this powerful will not even make a dent in wood and mesh right next to where the bomb went off.
If I throw a baseball at a window, it'll break. If I throw the same baseball with the same velocity at a person, they may not even bruise. If I throw the same ball at the same velocity at a piece of wood, it won't even dent.

Ergo, baseballs are a hoax.
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05-20-2014 , 07:00 PM
Maybe there was a baseball in the pressure cooker, that would explain the window.
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05-20-2014 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
If I throw a baseball at a window, it'll break. If I throw the same baseball with the same velocity at a person, they may not even bruise. If I throw the same ball at the same velocity at a piece of wood, it won't even dent.
This is the kind of stupidity I have to respond to. When people are such drooling idiots that theyre devoid of common sense yet they have just enough brain power to think theyre formulating clever insight.

What happens to a window, human, and piece of wood when a piece of shrapnel flies into them at hundreds of miles per hour?
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05-20-2014 , 07:13 PM
Depends on the mass and acceleration of the shrapnel. Depends on the mass of the object it's hitting. Add into that the surfaces the shrapnel is striking, the physical structure of the shrapnel, and the distance between the shrapnel travels.

Short story? It depends.
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05-20-2014 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RiverFenix
This is the kind of stupidity I have to respond to. When people are such drooling idiots that theyre devoid of common sense yet they have just enough brain power to think theyre formulating clever insight.

What happens to a window, human, and piece of wood when a piece of shrapnel flies into them at hundreds of miles per hour?
Nah, yiou're basically dumb as a box of rocks if you assume that the shrapnel spread should be uniform and spherical when blown out of an asymmetrical pressure cooker that's asymmetrically packed with asymmetrical shrapnel. "Assume a spherical cow" is a physics joke, not what physics actually involves.
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