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United States attacked by the entire world: who wins and why? United States attacked by the entire world: who wins and why?

01-14-2014 , 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I think the general anti-war European population would come out in force against their governments to stop their war of aggression immediately. You can't just assume that every single person in every other country would be whole-heartedly for aggression vs. the US, but that some Americans would not be for using any defense possible.
Lol, have you never met a European? Also did you not live through the past decade?
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01-14-2014 , 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Paralimbic
I know about the lack of education in the US, but that's just ridiculous.
I'd happily be pioneer, marching through Canada in the deepest winter, getting arrested, raped and die of starvation in some US-work-camp, if I would be of any support to send your country to hell. Rest assured, I'm not the only one!
Just because western Europe is considered as western society does not mean that all of us share any of your values, or what you define as that. Only because I don't suffer hunger and have a place to live does not mean that I don't hate the US of A more than anything else. The world would be a better place without the Goldmann&Sachs (aka the White House), and all of you missguided, debts pilling, crap eating, brainless fat consumer ******s.
But hey, Europe is such a small country, you can easily ICBM them and the ROW, ha?

Just kidding, ofc. Still just fun, right?

Last edited by 2/325Falcon; 01-14-2014 at 06:47 AM.
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01-14-2014 , 06:43 AM
Did you delete your post?
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01-14-2014 , 06:47 AM
Alright then.
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01-14-2014 , 06:53 AM
^^Thanks for deleting the worst part of my deleted post.
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01-14-2014 , 06:54 AM
No problem. USA #1.
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01-14-2014 , 06:59 AM
^^ Fully agree,.... #2-#195, though
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01-14-2014 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Big Man
This makes no sense. The rest of the world laughs at the US because they think we use guns too often, not often enough.

I'm a liberal and I hate guns. But that **** goes out the window if US is attacked by rest of world. The US would reinstate the draft and the size of the military would grow.

The war wouldn't be fought in the streets and towns like it was in the Rev. War or Civil War. The US would be on the offensive while having defensive capabilities to stop major attacks.

Assuming there are no Geneva Convention rules, the US has the firepower to attack major cities. A coordinated strike that happens quick enough would kill tens of millions of civilians. The US could also attack the infrastructure of countries and cities cutting off heat and power in winter.

Assuming we don't have to abide by the Geneva Convention and can attack at will, I don't think the US would lose.
You seem to forget that you are under attack (aka we're attacking you, not the other way around). The moment you know its war is the moment you find out 1000s missiles are coming for you largest cities and industrial zones. So, yeah, good luck.

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Originally Posted by daca
Phill already posted this, but here is it again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

the aircraft carriers are getting ****ed the first time they meet someone even remotely competent. they are only good at bumhunting.
This, lol. Im afraid we wont have the US script this war for us so winning doesnt seem like an option.

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Originally Posted by daca
they would still have to dodge a million of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dongfeng_(missile)
The US forgets that even though they have A LOT of weapons, ROW has MORE.

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Originally Posted by A S U
Only shot row has is a well planned surprise attack across multiple fronts, which is nearly impossible anyways. Lol@ guerilla warfare. How is the row going to move millions of troops? Embargo won't work either. The entire world shuts us off one day? USA will take that as a sign of war and attack at the first sign of aggression. USA can't be beat in a long distance war. Too strong on the water and in the air. maybe they could grind us out for 20 years but the world would be uninhabitable anyway so we all lose.
The guerilla warfare was probably with regard to the US invading other (neighboring) countries which it is notoriously sucky at doing. Again, we don't have to beach your crappy beaches. We will just bomb the **** out of you and you will bomb the **** out of us. UL for you its a lot easier to bomb 1 country then it is to bomb 'the rest of the world'.

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Originally Posted by wiper
agreed.

and the fact that we're even arguing about a country with 300 million people fighting off 8 billion invaders proves that saying, no?
I just don't want this thread to get locked.

for the record, I realize we're not just gonna mop the floor here. but I just wanna keep taking the position that due to geography and a massive advantage in military hardware and software and the historical fact that when faced with total war, our economy can be very quickly turned into the world's most efficient war-producing machine.

yes, the rest of the security council countries will def do the same, I just think having two oceans and enough natural resources to last a long, long time (and more importantly, the ability to protect them) gives us something like the seattle seahawks gimmick stadium home field advantage.

plus, lots and lots of hillbillies with guns that are not only okay with, but HAPPY to survive on a diet of squirrels and radishes.
Bolded so much, I actually like this argument but it could really only exist because of the 'patriotism' of the US. No other country could think it even has a fighting chance against the rest of the world and that it wouldn't be simply abolished in the progress.

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Originally Posted by kaipwn
not sure why SEALs are an advantage? other nations have equivalent special forces that are arguably better, SAS being the most notable
Dont you know ? Not only are all US tactics more advanced/better then the ROW's are but all their technology is by default better and so is their training. The only thing they have to do for this to be true is to believe it. Now thats easy, right ? Ignorance is bliss.

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Originally Posted by chillrob
I think the general anti-war European population would come out in force against their governments to stop their war of aggression immediately. You can't just assume that every single person in every other country would be whole-heartedly for aggression vs. the US, but that some Americans would not be for using any defense possible.
Yeah, its not like we have been battling side to side in some crappy sandbox at the other side of the world while we have nothing to do there. The anti-war population in EU certainly showed governments not to **** with them! I would go as far that there is more anti-war bias in the US then there is in the EU.
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01-14-2014 , 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by aggo
no idea what Swoop is talking about,

but there is literally 0% chance that the US is touched by bombing raids on our coasts.

0%
If you are talking about attacks by airplanes, you may be correct. If you are talking about submarine-launched cruise missiles, you are probably wrong. The ROW has about 250-400 submarines that are quieter than anything the US deploys, and many of which the USN has a hard time tracking. These subs will also be used for forward mine-laying operations. Defensive minelaying will be done by small surface craft and perhaps airplanes. The USN is not very good at minesweeping. Expect to lose a few carriers to subs as well.
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01-14-2014 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by wiper
and the fact that we're even arguing about a country with 300 million people fighting off 8 billion invaders proves that saying, no?
How are the 8 billion getting here?
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01-14-2014 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by GEAUX UL
Presumably the US would be fighting for it's way of life too. If you think it's impossible for Americans to unite together under one cause to blow **** up after it has been attacked you haven't been paying attention the last 13 years.

I know we make fun of it on the internet, but most Americans really do have a belief in this whole USA#1!!! thing. It's the modern incarnation of manifest destiny and it's very very real in this country. And they're more than ready to kick ass to prove it.
Lol, no they're not. The last 13 years shows quite nicely that the US has very little WIM compared to many other parts of the world. *

I'm not sure where you live but I lived in the US for 5 years and the majority of people I met knew quite well that while the US is obviously a great country overall so are a number of other countries - and in many ways the US is behind. Of course I didn't live in hillbilly land so maybe that says something?

Edit: * I'll add that this has little to do with Americans per se and more to do with the nature of people/economics/religion/etc.
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01-14-2014 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Edit: * I'll add that this has little to do with Americans per se and more to do with the nature of people/economics/religion/etc.
Isnt external factors when growing up what, in the end, makes an American an American (like in any other country).
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01-14-2014 , 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Didace
How are the 8 billion getting here?
Yeah, after the US Navy sinks the the first thousand or so ships that try to come over and the US shoots down the first thousand planes I'd imagine you'd have a hard time convincing the ROW troops to load up.
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01-14-2014 , 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Yakmelk
Isnt external factors when growing up what, in the end, makes an American an American (like in any other country).
I suppose that's true.

I more meant that there are many other countries (Canada, Western Europe, Australia, ...) that I suspect are very similar to the US in 'WIM' but have nothing compared to those countries with highly indoctrinated people, highly religious people, or highly desperate people.
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01-14-2014 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 50yearoldnit
Yeah, after the US Navy sinks the the first thousand or so ships that try to come over and the US shoots down the first thousand planes I'd imagine you'd have a hard time convincing the ROW troops to load up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_...vice_worldwide

The US Navy is big. But so is everybody else combined.
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01-14-2014 , 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 50yearoldnit
Yeah, after the US Navy sinks the the first thousand or so ships that try to come over and the US shoots down the first thousand planes I'd imagine you'd have a hard time convincing the ROW troops to load up.
it's going to be all about air supremacy which means it will be massive drones against drones fights with millions of starcraft nerds controlling them.

Last edited by daca; 01-14-2014 at 08:25 AM. Reason: or maybe space lasers idk.
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01-14-2014 , 08:25 AM
United states of England wins this superbowl inside 2 weeks
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01-14-2014 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by daca
it's going to be all about air supremacy which means it will be massive drones against drones fights with millions of starcraft nerds controlling them.
So is the better question who wins in South Korea vs ROW?
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01-14-2014 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
So is the better question who wins in South Korea vs ROW?
in a non-nuke contest, I'm loading up on North Korea at +140 if everyone else stays out.
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01-14-2014 , 10:34 AM
You missed the joke.
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01-14-2014 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by NhlNut
If you do keep the oil flowing from Mexico and Canada, how do you keep the refineries on line?
The US has never had it's homeland threatened in a modern war. Very few countries have. The first thing to go is transportation and information infrastructure.
Who has a better chance of keeping theirs online? The US has to hit a much greater area.
I'm not saying they wouldn't eventually knock out all the refineries. But with US air superiority the US would knock out all of theirs first. Sure ROW has more refineries but with the overwhelming air superiority it's no big deal. There are already US aircraft carriers stationed around the world who could hit anything in the world at a moments notice.
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01-14-2014 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by GEAUX UL
I'm not saying they wouldn't eventually knock out all the refineries. But with US air superiority the US would knock out all of theirs first. Sure ROW has more refineries but with the overwhelming air superiority it's no big deal. There are already US aircraft carriers stationed around the world who could hit anything in the world at a moments notice.
First, lack of literacy could be a concern.

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Originally Posted by domer2
ground rules:

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3. All of the United States' Carrier Groups are currently located in US harbors
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Second, your air superiority advantage over the ROW is not nearly big enough (not sure if its actually that big considering most technology has been shared with current allies already) to handle the fact that the ROW is a MUCH larger area.

Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tary_equipment This is a good resource showing that while the US has a huge lead over individual countries it lags in almost every possible way against everyone else combined.
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01-14-2014 , 11:09 AM
jjshabado kicking US ass single handedly ITT.

Last edited by Yakmelk; 01-14-2014 at 11:09 AM. Reason: The US vs Individual and US vs ROW argument has been made, in equipment and techn. they are lacking and will fail.
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01-14-2014 , 11:17 AM
ROW handily wins the first date format war. DFMW1 in ROW, WDFM1 in USA.
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01-14-2014 , 11:17 AM
was surprised to see that we weren't crushing everyone in the corvette category, but apparently they aren't talking about cars
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