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07-02-2009 , 08:58 AM

#26

swingdoc

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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny

Chart and facts courtesy of Winslow Life Raft Company

Not exactly an unbiased source, what with all the insistence at getting in the life raft

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Originally Posted by JaredL

The chart says that 60-70 degrees will kill somebody in 2-40 hours. For the low end of that I can see it but it seems extremely weird to me that one could die of hypothermia being in air that is 60 degrees, though apparently that is possible according to the "26 times faster" line if you are in 60 degree weather for a very long time. Is that just a simplification or accurate for temperatures at the low end and not the high end?

If you're naked, it could be a problem. I once saw an elderly lady in the hospital who had hypothermia. She had fallen in her garage during April or May and couldn't get up. She was stuck there for a day or so and just laying on the cool concrete did it. Admittedly elderly people are probably the reason the low end of that range exists.

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07-02-2009 , 12:01 PM

#27

diddy!

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Originally Posted by holland3r

Also, if he has clothes on he can turn them into a makeshift life preserver by knotting the sleeves and trapping air inside of them. GG.

I've done this before and it works, but I've never tried it while actually in water. Seems like it would be much more difficult.

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07-02-2009 , 12:01 PM

#28

m4ch1n3

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Originally Posted by Magisastar

DO surfers wear wet suits in the summer in Cali? If they do then you will lose.

Of course if it's supposed to be a proper simulation, put a lot of blood in the water so sharks become a factor. I'd imaging after a plane crash, they'd get you eventually.

All the surfers I know do. fwiw I would never do this for $300 (but I hate cold water).

Edit- Though I imagine if they didn't have a wetsuit, they may still go out for a bit w/out one, but if you have one it wouldn't make much sense not to use it.

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07-02-2009 , 12:28 PM

#29

kmak

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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny

A quick check on Google reveals the recent water temps in Santa Cruz:

Please, don't put your friend in this water for an extended period of time with no wetsuit. It could kill him.

That last chart, courtesy here. Other facts from that page:

Hypothermia Facts

* Body thermal conductivity in water is 26 times faster than when exposed to air. If you have a life raft, board as soon as possible.

* 50 degree water equals 15 minutes before incapacity and/or unconsciousness with life jacket on.

* 50 degree water equals 9 minutes before incapacity and/or unconsciousness without a life jacket.

Chart and facts courtesy of Winslow Life Raft Company

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07-02-2009 , 12:35 PM

#30

FluxCapacitor

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I think this is a hard bet for the swimmer to win, but it depends on his swimming skills.

1) As others have mentioned, the water temperature is a big factor.
2) There 0% chance that I could tread water for 2 hours, even with a lot of practice. I am a sinker, not a floater. On the other hand, some people float a lot easier... It depends on what his natural floating abilities are.
3) The wave/wind conditions are going to be a big factor. Waves could make this much harder.

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07-02-2009 , 12:35 PM

#31

Ineedaride2

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Magnum P.I. did it for, like, 3 days.

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07-02-2009 , 01:25 PM

#32

gimmetheloot

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I think OP loses unless the water is really really cold. OP, can the guy in water actually swim for part of the time or must he just be treading in the relatively same location for the entire period?

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07-02-2009 , 01:54 PM

#33

Triumph36

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on the plus side if he dies his body is going to keep floating so he wins the bet

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07-02-2009 , 01:57 PM

#34

Glenn

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He should wear pants and use them to make a floatation device. Some guy fell off of a Navy ship and survived over 36 hrs doing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otxjh...eature=related

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07-02-2009 , 02:24 PM

#35

KUJustin

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I can't believe it took 20 posts for someone to point out that it's way too cold. There's no way he makes it.

If he were literally stranded and had to do it to survive, he could probably make it, but not for 300 bucks.

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07-02-2009 , 02:29 PM

#36

Quadstriker

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Originally Posted by KUJustin

The best part is that after facts have been shown to prove it's not going to happen, people still coming in saying that OP will lose.

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07-02-2009 , 02:57 PM

#37

M2d

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Originally Posted by Ineedaride2

Magnum P.I. did it for, like, 3 days.

it was 24 hours

op, where in central cal? your chances of winning are about 100% give or take 0%. given the water temps (I fish around the sf bay and the san mateo coast all the time so I'm pretty familiar with the water temps and how fricken cold it actually is), your friend is probably dead pretty quickly.

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07-02-2009 , 03:12 PM

#38

Maso777

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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny

Hypothermia Facts

* 50 degree water equals 15 minutes before incapacity and/or unconsciousness with life jacket on.

* 50 degree water equals 9 minutes before incapacity and/or unconsciousness without a life jacket.

The chart indicates you would last about an hour before going unconscious in 50 degree water, and you claim 9-15 minutes depending on wearing a life jacket or not. Which one is correct?

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07-02-2009 , 03:16 PM

#39

AirmanSpecial

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http://www.reflector.com/news/world/...sh-658787.html

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According to the Brazilian military, the water temperature in the areas they are looking is averaging about 82 degrees (28 degrees Celsius)

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07-02-2009 , 03:20 PM

#40

Noah.

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Originally Posted by Triumph36

on the plus side if he dies his body is going to keep floating so he wins the bet

[insert bar exam joke about who would receive his bet winnings if he does/doesn't have a will]

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07-02-2009 , 03:22 PM

#41

dkgojackets

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Originally Posted by Triumph36

on the plus side if he dies his body is going to keep floating so he wins the bet

And on the plus side for op if his friend dies he wont have to pay the 300

This seems like a win-win result

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07-02-2009 , 04:47 PM

#42

NLfool

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no way he does this central cal water is way cold. sub 60 degree and it's also pretty sharky (not the playful small type, but the man in the grey suit). 6'0 145lbs in sub 60 degree means you're a lock or the guy is so mentally tough he'll go through hypothermia to win a bet. If it's really windy one day, try to do the bet the next day, upwelling occurs and the water will be like 5 degrees colder and he won't last for 30 min. BTW surfers in sub 60 degree water use a 4:3 wetsuit, some with hoods, gloves and boots.

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07-02-2009 , 04:51 PM

#43

General Tsao

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call me crazy here, but I think you should offer your friend a buy out option after showing him that chart that says if he tries to tough it out he might die or something.

i'd probably call it off all together. It's fine if he gets in and then goes "oh no its too cold!!" and gets out, but if he tries to tough it out and gets seriously sick/seriously dead, that'd be kind of a bad result.

In the least, you should show him the chart. (Assuming you've already shaken on it/agreed to it)

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07-02-2009 , 04:53 PM

#44

Anonimiss

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I think OP already lost by stating that he only thought fat people could float therefore did not make no floating on back a stipulation of the bet. . . . . .

make some prop bets with me OP!

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07-02-2009 , 05:31 PM

#45

prana

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treading water is easy, avoiding hypothermia not so much

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07-02-2009 , 05:33 PM

#46

M2d

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Originally Posted by NLfool

BTW surfers in sub 60 degree water use a 4:3 wetsuit, some with hoods, gloves and boots.

ab divers (north of the GG, but similar water conditions) use 6:5 at a minimum.

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07-02-2009 , 05:44 PM

#47

crashjr

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We've had enough people dying off the coast this year. A guy just died yesterday off of Cambria, 28 years old and in excellent shape.

Call it off.

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07-02-2009 , 06:04 PM

#48

Maso777

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Do the prop bet at a swimming pool instead of the ocean

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07-02-2009 , 06:07 PM

#49

stabn

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Originally Posted by Maso777

Do the prop bet at a swimming pool instead of the ocean

This changes the bet too much.

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07-02-2009 , 06:14 PM

#50

Maso777

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Originally Posted by stabn

This changes the bet too much.

How bout a wave pool?

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