The two defendants were charged in August. Anonymous didn't get involved until late December. Anonymous did not uncover any new evidence according to interviews by the chief of police. Basically anonymous carpet bombed the whole town with a firestorm of cover up accusations that the AG has refuted. The locals recused themselves in August because the prosecutors son is a senior that plays football for the high school

I thought maybe culs was getting a bad wrap, then he linked breitbart.

He kinda blew it when he claimed no football players received favoritism, or were held to a higher standard.

Maybe he never saw it,but to proclaim it as fact is lolz

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The scrutiny is lulz. Football players do not "operate above the law" in Steubenville. In fact, the two who committed a crime in this case were easentially immediately arrested and jailed before anonymous or any blog got involved.

Steubenville high school is a poor inner city school. It is not uncommon for athletes to get arrested or be thrown off the team without arrest. There are countless stories of arrests. Steubenville is a high crime small town with plenty of drug traffickers in the school system. But their crimes have not ever been tolerated by the school or covered up as far as I know. And their crimes definitely weren't covered up here... They were arrested before anyone ever heard about the case

If people have questions about the town or the case I'm happy to answer them. Other than that, I'm probably done posting here

Well can you tell us of cases where high profile Big Red footballers have been kicked off the team for their indiscretions?

If nothing else, what seems crystal clear in this case is that there was a culture amongst the playing group where this sort of behaviour wasn't even questioned as unacceptable. That's a picture that emerges through evidence tabled in the court case: the texts, tweets and instagrams that went around afterwards, the witness who pulled his phone out to video the abuse (while sober, if I'm not mistaken), the witness (possibly the same one) who saw the girl naked on the floor while team mates had their ***** out and basically said 'catchya later guys!'

And on top of that, there was at very least the expectation amongst these guys that coach would sort it all for them. It's disgusting and points to a bigger picture than just "drunk teens abuse fellow drunk teen".

Basically, everyone was in on it, no one did anything stop it, and it took days for them to even back-peddle and go 'hmmm, maybe this wasn't cool.'

I agree that anon's involvement didn't help matters and possibly made people more hysterical than was warranted, but there's plenty here to be outraged by beyond the simple facts of the case itself.

I agree there's plenty to be outraged about and I'm not defending the actions or Inactions of any of the kids involved.

I can recall two starting running backs that were thrown off the team for incidents in the last few years. I don't think either were thrown off for criminal conduct. One kid's last name was Brandon. He was recently arrested which is why I remember the incident. According to the recent posts I've read about Brandon he ran for 1,300 yards as a junior and was thrown off the team in offseason for being a punk basically. Brandon transferred to nearby Toronto high school. This was probably 3 years ago.

I can't recall the other kids name but he transferred to Weirton high school after being thrown off the team for general uncharged thuggery. Both started as juniors.

There's a kid still in school whose name I won't mention who is by all accounts the current best athlete in the school. The coaches won't let him even attempt to make the team.

Those are off the top of my head. And I'm sure I will get bashed for not providing enough detail or too much detail or some other great insight like that but there ya go

The parties, drinking and hooking up that night involved kids from lots of schools. The culture is definitely a community problem and I suspect a nationwide problem.

I haven't meant to defend the coaches or school here because that investigation is still ongoing and I learned about that text that "the coach tool care of it" during the trial. I trust the AG will charge and prosecute accordingly if there were some evidence tampering.

The cover up accusations that I do find ridiculous are that the prosecutor and the police would cover up this crime just so big red could win football games. That narrative doesn't make sense for any rational thinking human. Especially since the starting QB and best player were arrested immediately

There is, of course, potentially a big difference between miscoduct that is disruptive to the team, and misconduct that takes place within the context of 'team bonding' or whatever.

In the only sport I follow, the national rugby league in Australia, there have been numerous cases in recent years of superstar players being kicked off teams for conduct that was seen to be disruptive to team harmony.

Just something to consider. Would you argue that there was widespread indifference to the conduct of Richmond and Mays on the part of their teammates?

I would argue that there was widespread indifference with team mates.I believe only 4 football players were directly involved. Nodianos was a golfer and he had already graduated. He was on his way to OSU on an academic scholarship. None of the people involved had criminal records or histories of trouble making as far as I know.

I think it's a leap to believe that this is an institutional thing. I also believe that the coaches didn't know the truth of what happened that night because one of the defendants was supposedly dating the victim.

"Mays and Richmond also will have to register as sex offenders for the rest of their lives. "

with such a short time going to be served, this makes it a little better.

Yes. This stuff has always been happening. It's not a new phenomenon at all. Nowadays it gets a little more attention in the media because the criminals record their crimes and post them on the internet. There's a little more awareness lately of this stuff that has always been happening. It reminds me of 30 years ago when the sexual abuse of children began to be more openly discussed and people thought raping children was a brand new thing. Nope, it's always been going on, just more awareness of it now.

It's great that these criminals are so stupid they record their crimes and put them up on the internet so Anonymous can say,"Hey World, look at this! Something should be done about this, dontcha think?" These criminals were on their way to getting away with it even though they advertised their assaults. Now think about how easy it was to get away with it back before the internet/Anonymous/smart phones in the hands of dumb criminals/social media. Sexual assault is not new, just more knowledge of it now.

These defendants were charged long before anonymous got involved. The attorney general said that the involvement of anonymous here made prosecution more difficult and caused previously cooperative witnesses to back track. Anonymous carpet bombed the town and did more damage than good

culs = Bonafied, right?

What is the meaning of the following, in your opinion?

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(Stranahan considers that last remark a comment on karma, not a threat.)

You can probably appreciate where people got the idea the rape was (and is) treated as no big deal by adults in the boys' lives until Jane's parents went to the police.


You also said that Anonymous is ultimately responsible for the threats against the town and bystanders, which, sure, I guess, but you haven't said anything about the threats the made against Jane and the Doe family:

"The daughter doesn't sleep much and the mother said she hears her crying at night. The mother said there have been threats made toward the family, and a police office is in her neighborhood every day.

The mother also said her daughter has been ostracized by her friends and their parents who don't want their kids around her."


Last remark on Stranahan (also author of the Breitbart link):

Can we notify girls it's a train party before they go?



Edit, none of which is intended to sound gratuitously aggressive against you -- but I do feel like you're concern trolling a little bit and coming from a viewpoint more sinister than you're owning up to. You just seem insincere.

Again, I didn't say that what was proven or given as evidence in court was false or inaccurate.

I said using the court evidence/testimony as the sole arbiter of fact in this case (or any case) is silly.

Certain things can't be introduced because of evidentiary rules (like hearsay). Others might not be heard because either the prosecution or defense decides that the evidence is of little importance, or the witness isn't credible, or it doesn't fit their strategy, or any other of a dozen reasons.

So, again, my basic point that pretending like the court room evidence is "truth" in this case (or any case) holds. I never once said that I thought the evidence presented was inaccurate or a lie or anything like that. I just highly doubt what was heard in court is the full story because I think that's true of most cases.

There's a difference between reality and truth and courtroom evidence. Our system is not actually designed to determine truth. It's an adversarial system designed to determine what can be factual proven in terms of codified law. That's why people who aren't convicted aren't found "innocent", they are found "not guilty". You can be guilty in truth and still be not guilty under law.

This isn't a dig at our system, it's just a statement of fact. I understand why some guy videotaping himself joking about some girl getting raped was excluded as evidence in court. But pretending like there aren't pieces of this story that may or may not relevant in forming opinions (which is all we can do here on the internet) that would be excluded if we simply said "what was heard in court is the FACTS of this case, everything else isn't" is absurd.

I wanna know what the hell that court worker was doing hugging and patting the black kid on the back? **** outta here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWLJ...e_gdata_player

The Coach took care of it text - That was reportedly sent by one of the defendants to another kid who testified in court. I'm sure it will be investigated. A local reporter said this morning (1170 am out of Wheeling, WV) that he had spoke to the Coach about it and the coach denies ever saying that he was going to take care of anything. I said earlier that it is a wait and see what happens. All I can say about the coach is what I know from some time ago when I was in school and, I really don't think he would try to cover up a rape. The AG is investigating though and I imagine that a coach/school cover up attempt will be a central issue of the AG's grand jury.

Nate Hubbard - This guy is not a coach. Hubbard is a former player who was an unpaid hanger on to the program that the NYT times dubbed a coach. Since this rape, all unpaid volunteers have been removed from the team.

I am intentionally avoiding the topic of the victim. The threat you posted I believe just happened yesterday. It is obviously horrible to threaten her because these two got convicted. I don't feel as though I have any connection or insight into the victim though so I have avoided or tried to at least avoid speculating about her and what she has gone through from a personal perspective.

I don't think anything about my posts has been sinister. This thread was started and I felt like I have a 6 month head start on the facts of the case and am here to answer any legit questions from anyone interested because this whole situation was grossly mis-reported by the media and bloggers from day 1.

I do see why people are calling the school into question based off what has been reported. The AG is apparently investigating the issue. My opinions on the school and the coach are based off of a largely outdated personal history of having been a student there. I will await the results of the investigation from this point. If the AG does not charge anyone with any cover up related charges, I will trust that the text from the defendant was a lie and that the coach did nothing wrong.

This does not speak to your credibility at all. It suggests you're putting everything that's reported through this filter.

So you're coming at this from the perspective that your personal history with the coach is your special insight in this case?

I don't think you're being sinister, but I do think you have a myopic view of all this.

No more myopic than the view of the outsiders that have already judged the town and high school based only on the stuff in social media.

If you don't find me credible or the perspective of a person from the town who is familiar with the names associated with the story, then stop reading my posts. Lots of threads on this forum go downhill quickly with this vetting process of someone who posts rather than just evaluating their posts. I frankly couldn't care if you find me credible but stop trying to soul read some motive or agenda into my posts. Responses like that are dull

The media reports I've seen (which aren't many) play up the social media angle and don't mention the cover-up angle. The social media part is why it became a national story.