While I haven't been shot at, I have stared down the barrel of a gun, so to speak. Most terrifying thing I've experienced. Was at a card room in San Diego when a player tried to wrestle the gun out of the holster of one of the security guards. He came up behind him and a struggle ensued. I was like less than ten feet away from all this and would've been in direct sight of the player had he gotten the gun free. Everything was in slow motion and I just remember thinking "I'm ****ed if he gets the gun out of the holster" and leaping from my seat and bolting outside. Another player was able to subdue the would be attacker and they pinned him down until police came.

I can only imagine how terrifying it'd be to, out of the blue, hearing gunshots and being shot at.

Really? Oh well I get almost all of news online and from forums, guess I'm out of the old person loop

no, no need to guess. video looks fake as hell, nothing else. looks fake. thats it, looks fake as ****. fake it looks. nothing else. i think it looks faker than jennifer tilly checking full house or phil ivey folding kk vs bret both, both of which were obviously staged for tv.
when someone says something, that doesnt mean they think like you think. 9/11 looked fake as ****, that doesnt mean bush blew them towers up. angelina jolie looks fake as **** which doesnt mean i would not invite her to suck the dick. fakest video ive seen in years. hore shet.

Just saw the reporters boyfriend talking on cnn and he seemed amazingly calm and collected given this all happened like 36 hours ago. Pretty fast grief cycle.

Bret Both itt

EMD:
Even for that paper, kinda surprising. But they'd be in the short list of who Id guess would do that.

Dkgo:
Yeah, very wtf, even in buffalo.

Myrna:
Even more wtf is someone grouping it next to the times and wash post!

Bd:
Haven't seen him, but I'd guess he's still in a state of shock/disbelief.

Boyfriend was showing a scrapbook she made for him on TV just hours after it happened. While he was upset, it was less than I would be in such a situation. People handle things differently though.

I'm worried that when my parents die people are going to think I'm a lunatic, I've had other people close to me die and I don't think I've ever showed outwordly any sadness. Obviously it sucks and it hurts but its not something I feel I need to dump on other people

Just read a piece on Gawker that argues that if that front page upsets enough people to get some LOL Gun Laws changed, then it was worth the shock.

I haven't been this upset about a news story since Sandy Hook. I really thought that was going to change things. If that didn't, nothing will. Now I'm sadly confident that someone could shoot up a nursery school POV style, and we'd still do nothing.

Tonight some ******* came into the cardroom where I work wearing a Smith&Wesson t-shirt, depicting two pearl-handled pistols like from a cowboy movie, and "We the people..." in Constitution-font across the top. He just had to wear that shirt today. I wanted to hit him.

Meanwhile, the sports station that carries the local MLB team was well into its late-night programming, and a hunters/fisherman show was devoting an episode to show how bullets and shotgun shells are made at the factory. Thousands of rounds of ammunition making their way down the assembly line, into boxes, and out into the world, an endless, nonstop supply.

How is it not universally agreed that this is madness? Over 12,000 gun deaths in the US last year, and we're right on that same pace again this year (8k and counting so far). What must other countries think of us? I'm tempted to move out of this deranged nation, but then I'd have to admit to my new friends and neighbors that I'm an American--and frankly, I'd be ashamed, I'd be apologizing and making excuses as I said it. "No, I'm one of the GOOD ones! I think they're all *******s too, that's why I left!"

This. There is almost nothing more evil than what happened at SH.

14:35-15:07 if you actually believe what you said:

That's quite a touching post youtalkfunny. I'm european and you are right, for me, the gun madness is just that, madness. Maybe one day we can dream but I wouldn't bet on it happening in the next 10 years.

out of curiosity - what would you propose we do about the estimated 88,000 deaths per year in this country due to alcohol use?

youtalkfunny,

Did you know it's not possible to collect all the illegal firearms?

Stricter drinking and driving laws? Maybe lower the legal limit to drive to 0.00? Drinking causes a lot of deaths because people make bad decisions while they are under the influence (not to mention heavy drinkers can have many other health problems). So basically making laws that limit the amount of damage people can do to other people.

What's your point though in relation to gun laws? That alcohol also causes harm to people as well? Why can't there be tougher laws on guns and drinking and driving? They aren't mutually exclusive you know.

ytf is probably hoping for spaceman to come in and save that bit

20,000 gun laws in this country already. 20,000 more isn't going to stop the criminals. By definition, criminals don't obey laws. If you open your eyes and look at the localities that have the most gun laws, they don't have less violent crimes than the places that have fewer gun laws. Criminals gonna criminal.

Admittedly I'm not an expert on this subject, but don't most countries have criminals? Why are gun deaths so much higher in the US than other developed countries?

Don't want to politard this thread up though. I was only saying that just because alcohol also causes problems that doesn't mean we should stop trying to fix problems related to guns.

The guy who murdered the two journalists had no criminal record. But now that this tragedy has happened its easy to say "see, it's those damn criminals again". The problem is that today's law-abiding citizen can be tomorrow's criminal when they have easy access to guns, and the challenge is how to lessen that possibility.

fwiw, it's not actually hard to convince people of this

Seems like it makes more sense to look at the effect of the gun laws rather than the quantity of them. What good are 20k gun laws if just about anyone who wants a gun can get one? The guy in this case wasn't a criminal and the person who sold him the gun wasn't a criminal. Look how well that turned out.

Not a lot you can do here with the background checks being what they are. The NCIS isn't checking work or personal history, just hitting up a database looking for mental defectives, felons and so on. You can be a crazy weirdo who threatens co-workers and needs a police escort when fired, throw cat **** at your neighbors (etc) and slip through.

There will never be a perfect system but I'd think we could probably do a little bit better. My guess is that this guy probably trips up a red flag or two if he were trying to get into police work or wanted to teach at a grade school...but the fact that there was a background check at all at least gives a chance. Tough luck he didn't have a restraining order or whatever.

Yeah in this case this guy would probably still get one at a gun show without a problem, but that's a longer conversation (doesn't make sense to me to knock the efficacy of gun laws while an easy workaround like that still is still in play).

I guess at least it's fortunate that he was okay with 2 kills and not the entire TV station, or some school full of kids. The gun side of it would be a much bigger deal if it were a mass shooting but I think the guy kills a couple of people by some other means.

"Theres black people, then theres ******!"

Chris Rock

Sorry I just watched Bring the Pain

There's already more restrictions on alcohol, you don't need to propose more.

People that say 'what are we gonna do about (alcohol, cars, etc.)???' overlook that those things are by far more regulated.

It's not on accident, they just want to shift the focus.

Everyone is a responsible gun owner until they aren't.

Driving, (and drinking) are privleges, not a right, unlike gun ownership.

drinking is a privilege huh?

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