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for example "shot good" and " shot well" . You get ten times as many results for the latter and 1 of the former instances are errors on the first two pages.

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08-15-2010 , 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stinkypete

while i'm a pretty huge grammar nit in general, it doesn't really bother me when people use "me and john" incorrectly but it drives me nuts when they use "john and i" in place of "john and me". i suppose its because i seem to believe that it has to do with the fact that the people who say "john and me" do it because they just don't care while the people who use "john and i" incorrectly are trying to speak correctly but failboat miserably.

I think you're absolutely right. The people doing this think it sounds more educated. I listen to a local radio show in D.C. on 106.7 called The Sports Junkies and not a day goes by that they don't fall into this trap. I hear phrases like "between Jason and I", "to he and I", etc. It puts my teeth on edge.

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08-15-2010 , 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by W0X0F

exactly. that would annoy me to the point that i'd focus on the errors more than the content of the show.

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08-15-2010 , 04:19 PM

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Can someone summarize when to use "Jason and I" vs. "Jason and me"?

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08-15-2010 , 04:26 PM

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Can someone summarize when to use "Jason and I" vs. "Jason and me"?

just pretend its just "I" or "me" and use whichever one you would use there

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08-15-2010 , 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by yellowjack

Can someone summarize when to use "Jason and I" vs. "Jason and me"?

"Jason and I" = "we" and "Jason and me" = "us".

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08-15-2010 , 04:53 PM

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thanks pointland

2 guys run around the states and fix signs with ridiculous spelling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLDt9VSCI4o

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08-16-2010 , 08:31 AM

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Pseudorandom grumble of the day: rediculous. This one seems not to occur in real life, but for some reason is endemic to and rife on the 'net. A search shows that it's appeared twenty times on 2p2 in the past week alone.

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08-16-2010 , 09:24 AM

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From the "it'll never show up in spell check" department: The spelling of lose as loose is really starting to piss me off.

Just Googled the phrase "loosing weight" and got 313,000 hits. Good God.

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08-16-2010 , 09:29 AM

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I see "ludacris" ALL the time and it enrages me. (When they mean ludicrous, not when talking about the rapper)

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08-16-2010 , 10:50 AM

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I see "ludacris" ALL the time and it enrages me. (When they mean ludicrous, not when talking about the rapper)

Wow, I would snap if I saw this crap.

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08-16-2010 , 10:51 AM

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An English Ph.D was asked by the police to leave an NYC Starbucks after ordering a multigrain bagel, then refusing to answer the barista's question, "Do you want butter or cheese?" She felt the question was grammatically incorrect:

"I just wanted a multigrain bagel," Rosenthal told The Post. "I refused to say 'without butter or cheese.' When you go to Burger King, you don't have to list the six things you don't want... Linguistically, it's stupid, and I'm a stickler for correct English."

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08-16-2010 , 10:58 AM

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leaving aside that caring about spoken grammar in this way is nittiness of the highest order, her real mistake was ordering a bagel in starbucks.

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08-16-2010 , 11:05 AM

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Well maybe if they had a Panera nearby she wouldn't have had to. Amirite?

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08-16-2010 , 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by baumer

Wow, I would snap if I saw this crap.

searching for ludacris brings back 250 results on 2+2 and very few of the threads are about music

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08-16-2010 , 12:53 PM

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With ludacris, rediculous, and so on I suppose some users are doing it with tongue in cheek, implicitly mocking what have sort of become internet memes, but I think genuine, good faith errors constitute the great majority.

gman is right, though, that loose for lose is a far more serious problem, or at least it is on 2p2.

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08-16-2010 , 12:55 PM

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leaving aside that caring about spoken grammar in this way is nittiness of the highest order, her real mistake was ordering a bagel in starbucks.

Strangely, it isn't even a grammatical error, nor one of logic — she's really just protesting that the question is stupid (agreed, sort of, in theory, except that I'll bet many people who order bagels actually do want a topping, neglect to say so, and then hold up the line when their order is "wrong"...), but casting it as a grammatical error to weasel out of the fact that she picked a dumb battle at a dumb time.

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08-16-2010 , 01:00 PM

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Yeah, her complaint is fundamentally stupid. They aren't asking her to list all the things she doesn't want on it, they are asking her if she wants either of the two most popular toppings on it. Her answer is "neither, please".

At Quiznos, for example, the Chicken Carbonara sandwich is extremely popular, and it comes standard with mushrooms. The people always ask if you want mushrooms, though, presumably because lots of people request "no mushrooms" and they are just trying to be proactive.

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08-17-2010 , 04:19 PM

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Almost all sources call her an "English" professor. Only one source I could find claims she is a linguistics professor. I guess it es very likely that she is a professor for English Literature.
The only language problem that arises here does not have to do anything with grammar but with pragmatics, but as she is able to decode the message she is the one creating the problem.

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08-17-2010 , 05:23 PM

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Good point. Her being a professor of literature would also be well-correlated with her being a ditz.

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08-18-2010 , 05:22 PM

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Do you use among or amongst more often? I have tended to only use amongst in a phrase such as "please speak amongst yourselves".

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08-18-2010 , 05:45 PM

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As long as you live in the US and don't want to sound as though you were educated at Cambridge, use among.

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08-19-2010 , 12:57 PM

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watched the movie "state of play" yesterday. was reeeally bothered by the fact that every character pronounced the name "pointcorp" (a blackwater-like private defense contractor and the bad guys in the movie) as "pointcore." wtf. was so f'n annoyed by this.

edit: the company's logo was shown many times in the film and "pointcorp" was def the spelling.

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08-19-2010 , 03:03 PM

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Thats because in that context the pronunciation of corp is core.

Ex. Marine Corps = Marine Core

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08-19-2010 , 03:26 PM

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Thats because in that context the pronunciation of corp is core.

Ex. Marine Corps = Marine Core

You just explained why it was wrong! Like you picked an example that directly contradicts yourself, how did you finish typing this post?

It's not Point Corps, it's Point Corp[oration]. That should be pronounced with the p.

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