Here in Sweden the limit is .02

According to wikipedia .08 is actually the highest legal limit worldwide, and is used by US, Canada, UK and a handful of other countries. Standard in Europe seems to be .02 or .05
So yes, .08 is high

.08 means an average 200lb male has 4 shots of Yukon Jack in 1 hour. So would you get in a car with someone after seeing them do 4 shots this quickly?

I don't know how much 200lb is and I don't know what Yukon Jack is and I don't really care. All I'm saying is that .08 is high

It's not as high as .09 is.


Just saying.

you pussy europeans can't drink

If the limit is .02 it might as well just be 0 because that's not drinking at all, its like half a beer or something. .08 is nowhere close to what I would consider being impaired but I'm more than happy to abide by it to avoid legal consequences.

rofl at .08 you are not at your full senses and if you try to argue that you are you are deluded.

but yeah .02 is very low, you can take like a large 3.5% beer and be just around the limit

Can you guys go start a BAC argument nits thread or something?

Well at least we agree on seat reclining. But apparently I'm deluded so I don't know what to think anymore.

OK let me explain what i meant here... First of all nothing says miranda only APPLIES when you're arrested. It DOES say that police have to INFORM you of your miranda rights when you're in a custodial interrogation. So basically i always have a right to remain silent and/or have an attorney present when talking to police. They just dont have to inform me of said rights until there's a custodial interrogation happening.

That being said, a person is said to be "in custody" when they are in an environment in which they believe they are not free to leave. When you're pulled over, you're not free to leave anytime you want to. You have to stay there until the officer lets you go. So if you ask me, i'd say theres a pretty good argument for the unconstitutionality of field sobriety tests if i understand what i read correctly.

Yukon Jack is good.

Full size spares are great. I sold single stock rims on ebay for $100+ a piece for people wanting to have a full size spare. Would buy a set of stock rims for $100 from a guy with aftermarkets.

I'm not saying the diarrhea tip isn't good. I just don't like reading it. 'Shooting mud' or w/e as a term is gross.

No, thats why I put it in quotes. While I think the guy is right, that the way the drunk driving laws in this country are probably unconstitutional, he is chosing a bad situation to stand against it, as the penalties are high. Drinking and driving is bad, I try and avoid it, but I do do it on occaison.

Have the supreme court not ventured an opinion on the matter.

They would seem to be the people best qualified to decide that question.

Or were the laws introduced so recently that they have not yet produced much case law on the subject?

lol

Im drinkinng and drving right now

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This. I'm fine with the rule but .08 is nothing. I've been .26 before and didn't die (wasn't driving). Also, if Euros drove vehicles 20,000 miles a year they'd probably be good enough drivers to operate a car with .03 BAC. I'm curious as to how many kilometers a Euro drives per year, and if this has any affect on their low legal tolerance for a high BAC.

"Shooting mud" is supposed to be a euphymism for "shltting shlt", would you rather I said that?

Haha no, just talk about diarrhea in general kinda grosses me out.

Everybody poops imo.

You seem to be implying that a person improves as driver simply by accumulating miles. While there might be some truth to this, I could easily imagine 100 miles driven in an Italian city with crazy drivers, through Alpine towns or even on the autobahn to enhance your driving skills much more than driving 500 miles on some perfectly straight Michigan country road, which basically only requires you to not violently swerve to either side (or get hit by drunk drivers). I'm not saying that roads of this kind don't exist in Europe or that there aren't any difficult driving environments in the US (obviously there are) but this statement seems just so ridiculously general to me.

Not trying to be expand this discussion here, but I am genuinely curious: What would you say to somebody who told you that there are numerous scientific studies stating that a human's driving ability is significantly impaired even at levels considerably lower than .08 BAC?

Good point, maybe that in America the roads are much better and wider makes the increased driving conditions able to offset the impairedness of alcohol?

Yes, maybe that the roads are wider and on average not as curvy is actually a factor. Whether they are better or worse probably depends on the specific European country you wanna look at (and possibly also what region in the US). I could see how in certain scenarios you're as safe to drive with .05 as you are in others with .02. Still I don't know how you could practically derive and enforce any legislation from that knowledge.

Either way, I definitely notice my cognitive abilities being influenced relatively quickly - maybe not at .02 but likely at .05 and most definitely at .08.

I know this, I just don't like to talk about it

I''m not really saying the base was .02, and America said "well we have straight, wide roads, so we'll go .10". I'm saying maybe .08 is really sort of the base, and some countries with dangerous, windy, hilly roads decided .02 was as high as they were willing to go.

I've been to Mexican border towns and it's like Stop signs there are invisible. Cars come literally within 2 inches of eachoter going through an intersection. I would not feel comfortable handling a car down there with .08.

It also amazes me that Mexicans are amazingly athletic drivers in those border towns, but here in The States, they are awful (just like all immigrants).

how big is your truck? wattage of permanently on high beams?