Nice pun. Generous grading.

$10K up for you, ED, 99, micro, or anyone else who wants to wager/pony he'll get within one degree of an exact figure over a statistically relevant sample of varying angles, and I'll pay micro for his time regardless of result. EZ game for all. Hit me up.

If I'm not betting, I don't care too much about the terms.

But, like I said, if I'm betting, not sure I'd do 1, but would do 2, would have to be within a range of like 10-35, I have to be able to stand on it, measurement has to be done with my device that I'm used to. (if it's off, I'm off, but it's a pretty good device)

http://www.solmetric.com/buy210.html

No one mentioned this and there's no way to stop me, but on the wild chance that this happens just so no one thinks anything shady went on, if $10k is being bet, even if it's not by me, but by people I like, I'm sure as hell going to practice and let them know. If you lose, you'll assume I did that anyway, so just expect it.

what serious runner doesn't know hes not running up a 45 degree slope? Not really sure why you think you should be given any credit. Curious what trails Mr.SeriousTrailRunner has been running where the slope of all the hills has been surveyed.

Since you seem to think its impossible for some weird reason, you should'nt care if its Micro, or someone else. Is that the case?

Start drawing up terms. I'm thinking I'll bet like $2k under most reasonable terms. If it's $10k only, maybe there are enough backers.

I want anyone to know up front, on the wild chance that it happens, that for 1 degree I don't think I'm that much better than even money. No hard feelings allowed if I lose.

Probably me. We'll find out after I measure it. You guys (esp micro's post about roofs) have me convinced it's not 45, so now I'm just curious how far off, but no way it's 20 degrees off.

The majority of my hill workouts are not on trails. Two roads have signs that have yellow caution signs indicating the grade. Many marked courses have elevation with distance in the elevation profile of the course. Outside of that, an inclinometer.

I think on a visual inspection, there's no one that can get within 1 degree on loads of varying angles with statistical confidence (barring some kind of rainman guy), yes.

LoL,

Please put together terms based on micro's posts. Need to of course see final terms, but I expect I'll be up for the remaining $8k.

What's the common angle of a staircase? In the 30-35° range? I would guess the street that you were running on is closer to 25° than it is to 45°.

And that's not taking away from the hill you were running up. I know there are some hills that make me cringe when approaching them. Of course, they are usually longer than 50m.

It would be interesting to see the terms of this bet.

Micro seems to be referencing the use of some sort of device or equipment to do his measurements. .. you guys all on the same page here?

I may be flexible. We'll see what LoL suggests.

Rigging up a statistically significant sample of pitches I can stand on will probably be way too much work.

The easiest way would be to simply build a motorized incline, and then just do a series of samples at various degrees, all of which would be easily measurable and the whole thing could be done relatively quickly. Probably looking at a few hundo in construction, but it would make everything simple, accurate, and scientific.

I'm not sure how micro would feel about that tho, not sure how much of his experience judging slope comes visually and how much from moving on it. As im sure visually it's going to appear different than a big roof, but moving will be the same.

If by easiest, you mean pretty hard unless you're on the set of Mythbusters. I actually know a couple of very Mythbustery guys, one of whom is Reverend Gadget who was on the show Smash Lab. I couldn't imagine anyone charging less than $1000 for such a thing and it would be soooo much easier for someone who had most of the stuff on hand or at least knew right where to get it.

The thing could be fairly simple and done by hand with some ladders maybe, scaffold planks and paving stones or something, or you could rent a telescopic forklift. But, any of these things will take a lot of time from more than one person. And, it all depends on what a statistically significant sample is. If each trial takes 5 minutes and LoL wants 100 samples, that's a full day for two or three people? On top of buying all the stuff.

I know the bet is $10k, but the expected return is nowhere near that imo whichever way it goes.

If I'm going to do $1000 of work to set this up, that's got to be paid (like LoL offered) straight off and separate from the bet.

I've been working all day (on a 14 degree slope roof - pretty easy slope to work on) and haven't had a chance to decide if I would bet on something just visual, which would be much easier to do like 100 trials.

all you need is a some 2x4 for framing and some plywood sheets. attach one end to the floor and the put a cable on the other end and run it over a pulley and into a wench. Actually, thats excessive since its just a temporary thing, can just use some chain and raise/lower it by hand. Run a plumb off the frame on a protractor and youve get the incline down to a degree. Would literally take like 2 hours to make.

In 2 hours you might be back from Home Depot.

Also, is the wench really strong enough for this or is she just there to bring us beers?

pffft, you never add home depot time into the equation

haha, oops. I hope Howard doesnt see this

I would not be surprised at all if you are 15-20° off.

Renting something with a hydraulic tilt seems easier than those jerryrigs posted.

Anyway,

No visual; walk, jump, sit & hump only
Must stay on slope between grade changes and until complete
0-45° slopes, harness allowed
+/- 1.0° (e.g., 13° estimate on 11.8° slope = incorrect)
2 samples of 65 out of 75 (as soon as you get to 65, if before 75, the second one begins; fail to get to 65 on either sample and forfeit)
Come on down and enjoy a meal of your choice between 75's, if desired
All expenses and $40hr paid to micro by me
4 minute minimum; no limit maximum per slope
Both samples to be completed within a 12 hour period

I'm not too particular, so that's just a basic feeler.

We'll find out soon... going with an inclinometer early this week. No way I'm 20° off son, lol.

If this happens will it be the silliest prop bet in OOT history?

Not that the other terms are ok, but:

What do you mean by "no visual"?

And what's the point of 4 minute minimum?

Nah, I'm pretty sure Tony P eating 8 sticks of butter was the silliest, but that dude won but pissed out of his onion ring for a week. That bet, like usual, was at the evil hands of El Diablo, muhahahaha... but I can't remember if ED had a stake in that specific one or not.

Ok?

No visual inspection from ground.

Is this a problem?

I'm thinking about the other terms. I just didn't mean that I accept them just because I didn't mention them.

What is the point of the 4 minute minimum? Yes, it's a problem. It makes the whole thing take forever. I assume you're trying to wear me out.

can we get a cliffs on this?