Next time play it cool and reschedule. Something like "Don't sweat it. Let's reschedule for [...]." Additionally, I've used a variation of "Pfft. Putting [something important getting in the way of our plans] ahead of meeting some guy you met on the internet? Hit me up when you get your priorities straightened out! "

I think a there's more women with A-List and paid accounts than one might reasonably expect.

I'm totally burnt out on online dating. I have these numbers and I look at them and I tell myself that I ought to send them a text and arrange a date. Then I begin thinking about hauling my ass out into the freezing cold, to meet some broad. A woman who could be nasty looking, or insane, or who I may or may not score with, or I may or may not like, and I realize that it's just a waste of time. My next chapter is building an IRL game. There's this hottie that's at my train stop every morning. This week, because it was bitter cold, I decided to grab a seat in the coffee joint at the stop. She came in about 3 minutes later and sat at my table. I smirked, thought about asking her what she was reading, and then went about my business.

Was talking to this girl on Facebook who trains at my mma gym. I haven't seen her there cause I haven't trained in a few months.

After a while it dawned on me that we met on okc and she came to my house. She totally forgot. That's prolly a bad sign

why assume this? it actually makes a lot of sense for a girl who gets a ton of messages cause a) her inbox wont fill up if she has a-list, and b) if she wants to sift through all the messages/guys who visit her without getting a ton of "OMGYOUCHECKEDMEOUTAGAIN" messages, she can browse invisibly

Is it worth trying to set something up for tomorrow with girl I mentioned above?

No plans for tomorrow so feel like it'd be fun to do something but I didn't really leave it open for that and I was the last to text her, so not sure the optimal play.

was the last thing you said to her "let me know when youre free?" or something like that

Dates went well but one wasn't as cute as her pics. Damn girls and their expertise with pics. The other one was sexy just a bit shy but I'll def be hitting her up again

Friday night fellas time to take some shots and go bark at bitches. Remember to call a cab at the end of the night bottoms up

im not totally unconvinced that 3bet just isnt dmx

Last text was "alright no problem, let me know when you figure it out"

Texted the girl from Tuesday today asking what was up. She said she was surprised I texted her, and said I was an *******.

Reasons cited:

-She said I said she shouldn't get more tattoos (not true; I said don't overdo it and get some on your face or something crazy like that)

-I got "pissy" after she said she didn't want any wine. Also not true. I said "oh well I guess I don't want any either then! I might not have bought it..."

-she said she was going to get eat gauges, to which I said I wasn't a fan but she should do what she wanted



Eh, c'est la vie

The two last ones seem at best clumsy/slippery and at worst stupidly passive agressive.

Imo she flaked on plans and either she reinitiates with you or you should move on. I've been in the same scenario as you so I'd let it go personally.

@wu
2nd seems bad, 1st and last are doable if you use the right wording etc. 2 seems indeed somewhat passive aggresive.

I experienced the same thing and it confused me too, but I just went with it and the date went well.

She had responded to my original message within an hour followed it up about 5min later with another saying she just read my profile and asked me a question about it. When I went to respond to her messages I realized she never appeared in my visitors, but based on the question in her 2nd msg she clearly read my profile.

Was creepy, but given she was 5'9 blonde with blue eyes, I ignored the creepiness factor.

.... mbn to be a woman.

Yeah, but if a girl's inbox is full guys start paying $1 to get a message through, and then okc just gives the girl free A-list for a month to max out her inbox.

I don't know any younger women that have bought A-list and the subscriptions are discounted for women so maaybe she has A-list, but probably more likely that she turned off visitors.

Just avoid bringing up the tattoos and body modifications. It sounds like you might've come off like one of those dudes that says, "she'd be so much hotter if it weren't for that tattoo. Why did she have to go and ruin her body?"

She probably hates you. Can't even believe you contined into the ear gauge talk to show further disapproval. Her tattoos are permanent, so avoid the conversation unless you are super into them.

I wonder how many men actually pay the dollar to get the message through. Has anyone here ever done it? I've never even gotten to that point where it's said her mailbox is full.

Also the "omgyoucheckedmeoutagain" messages angle does make sense, hadn't thought of that. Either way, I've stayed on the safe side and haven't revisited her profile since her first reply, but will do the standard relook right before the date (That's a standard thing, right? One last look at the pic to make sure you know who you're looking for, as well as a quick glance at some potential topics of convo)

@Jenni
I guess it depends how he said it. I often say what I like or dislike about a girls mods/tattoos and when I say it in a neutral way I never had it really hurt me. I mostly really dont get the 2nd one tbh, why would you ever say that ? That sounds so butt hurt it actually hurts my butt a little while reading it.

@KB
Ive had the mailbox full thing but never did the 1$ thing.

Just an fyi, if this woman was willing/able to tell you these specific things, there were probably a lot more other things that you did/said along these lines. Of course you don't want to change your personality just because of some woman, but think about how you are coming across (not just to potential dates, but also to friends).
And I think the number two thing, as Nick earlier said, is pretty bad/passive aggressive. Don't know the context of how the wine bottle order went (if she suggested it or said she's had half if you ordered it, it's bad... but even then, it could have been that you were coming across like a jerk that she wanted to end things earlier, which she has the right to do).

If a girl isn't in your visitors list she probably just has visitors turned off. I mean if she's hot she's getting visited 100 times a day so she probably turned it off which means she won't have up as a visitor either.

The clear subtext of your reaction in #2 (whether you intended it or not) is "I'll order a bottle of wine so we can get drunk and bone. Wait what? She doesn't want wine? I didn't even want any either, I just wanted to use it to more easily slide into her hole. I shouldn't have wasted my money since I'm not getting my dick wet from it."

As for the other two, do you really think expressing your disapproval of her lifestyle choices is gonna make her hot for you? Unless she has some serious daddy issues, it wont. I mean you don't need to lie about liking things you don't, just don't be surprised when she doesn't take it as a positive. And if you're gonna go for the jokey retort, it has to be clever and funny. If she didn't laught at it, it didn't work. Hell, sometimes if she DID laugh, it didn't work.

TLDR; Friday night's Trip Report

As I explained the other day, I had planned on implementing the notepad and pen technique at the bars on Friday night. However, things took a slight derail as whoever decides to read this will find out.

My boring friends wanted to leave the bar early which obviously pissed me off because I felt they were kind of a safety net if things were to go wrong, but I decided to stay on my own anyway. I was thinking about the notepad idea that I mentioned earlier and slowly realized that it wasn't very foolproof; I mean, I'm left looking like a bit of a tool if the woman doesn't notice that I'm ogling her body and I don't think grunting to get attention is a very good look.

Anyway, I was playing through my head and analyzing all the possible scenarios I could put my target girl in that would make her feel like she has no choice but to leave with me and give up a little something. I wanted to put her in a situation that she has never been in before, one that would take her out of her comfort zone and put me in the driving seat. So after a while of isolated deliberating I notice a hot woman who appeared to be in her early 30s at the bar by herself which was quite odd; after 10-15 minutes of ogling her from across the bar, it was quite clear that she had no companions with her so I knew this was the perfect time to make my move as the bar was getting busier. I was watching her the whole time and this must have been her third drink.

I head over there and just as my desired woman is served her next drink; I picked it up, started drinking what tasted like jagermeister and told her "it's time for us to leave." I didn't get the warm response I was aiming for as she started yelling at me asking who the hell I thought I was, I'm a creep, a little boy and I need to purchase her another drink before she gets my ass kicked. Suddenly it felt like a giant needle had just been stuck in me and all my confidence was rapidly deflating, I mumbled to her that I was sorry and compensated her the money for the drink. The people around us were giving me cold looks and the bartender told me to leave, but it was more like get the **** out of the bar. Come to think about it, this woman was easily a high 8/low 9 given her age; I should have thought about why nobody else was hitting on her, she's probably a known guy's Girlfriend.

I quickly walked out of the bar and felt dizzy and humiliated. Usually in situations like this I'd head home and call it a night, probably sulk a bit and question my existence. I wasn't having it this time though, this was my night and it's not ending until I hook up with a broad. I decided that I was going to find a new bar whilst essentially performing a rinse and repeat of my previous steps of analyzing the bar and picking out women who appear to be on their own or with a friend. So I head to the next bar and there's two girls drinking some type of shots that have caught my attention. Admittedly, this Girl that I was targeting was a little lower on the scale, still at least a 7 though, a cute brunette that looked my age. My approach this time was a lot more subtle and less abrasive, I walk up and lean against the bar whilst tapping the brunette's shoulder. When she turned around I made no eye-contact instead choosing to face the bar to let her know that I'm doing her a favour and I'm not too bothered as to whether she complies or not.

I tell her something along the lines of "You and your friend have 2 minutes to finish up your drinks, then we're out of here." She got all quiet, giggled a little bit and looked at her friend who was making these weird faces. I told her "Look, you can join us too but I don't want you just standing around being a nuisance. Get involved, make yourself useful".

They were making all these Girly incomprehensible faces at each other, I really couldn't understand the message that they were trying to convey so I was left standing there for 30 seconds arms-crossed, tapping my foot on the floor to demonstrate my eagerness. The friend picks up her phone, tells the brunette that she's making a phone call and will be back in a bit and just walks away; I was a little bit scared at this point fearing that she was calling their boyfriends. To my surprise, the brunette doesn't follow her and instead starts engaging in conversation with me and genuinely seems interested, asking me who I am, if this is my approach with every girl and if I have no pride. She said that I look sweet and the image I'm portraying doesn't suit me, it's quite ****ed up because I started getting all shyish myself and she was clearly in control of the conversation. She said "you're not so confident now, are you?" and even bought me a Jack Daniels and coke which made me feel a little bit, I don't know, emasculated. I enjoyed talking to this girl and after a while she suggested that we meet her friend because she's staying at hers; I don't know why I agreed to go on this miniature expedition but I did, a small part of me was hoping that it could lead to a threesome back at her friend's place. I no longer felt that I was in danger of being beaten up. Brunette calls her friend and finds out that she is outside a shop 5 minutes away and we had to walk through an alleyway to get there which I knew would be the location that would make or break me. As we were walking through the alleyway I gently grabbed her arms, turned her around and started kissing her; she was laughing a little bit which left me puzzled but this wasn't going to deter me. It quickly escalated to me dipping my fingers in her honeypot and being jacked off until I told her to give me head.

As I was being sucked off I was reflecting on how I could have easily given up after being humiliated earlier in the night, I was quite proud of myself since she was significantly above me in the ratings scale and she didn't even look like the kind of broad that would give head in an alleyway. I also had to restrain myself from calling her a hungry little whore whist she was blowing me (the hungry hippo inccident and you guys itt made me realize a lot of girls don't like name calling). After fooling around in the alleyway for a while we met up with her friend and they both started acting weird as **** smiling at each other, which was a relief because her friend didn't take too kindly to me earlier on. Brunette and her friend had to get a taxi home but I wasn't too bothered about it, I had already gotten everything I wanted in the alleyway. We exchanged numbers and she told me to text her, I don't plan on doing that though, I'm not interested in progressing past the hook-up stage. All in all I'm glad that my friends decided to leave early, I probably would have got too drunk to effectively communicate with any females.

Was a good night

UNO,

Lol

@yak, Im not going to fight with you. Standard acceptable social interaction is still standard.

But you're the exception because you said the same things and girls still saw you, okay.. I'm not sure if we read the same thing, but she called him an *******.