I never knew the exact number but did a countback when I got engaged to my wife/soontobeexwife at age 28 and was over 100. Lots of 'friend of S', 'girl from rugby tour' type memories. That was back in the dark ages when there was no technology to help us and we actually had to earn our roots by talking to girls in bars or hooking up with friends of friends.

ah...the good old days. the young fellas don't know how easy they have it

no doubt because you can penetrate the world and your woman from the core and they tenderly respond to the authenticity of your relaxed ministrations, the freedom expressed in your humor, the invasion of your adamant love. you “****” both women and world to smithereens, ravish them with your love unsheathed, smelt your authentic gifts in this friction of opposition and surrender.

you follow the way of the superior man.

is this like erotic novels but for men?

Doubling back here

You want to be lucky enough to fall in love with a woman so hard that no other woman matters (for a while)

In those rare instances you will be the one doing the chasing. Many people have never fallen in love. They don’t know what this feeling or experience is like. Girls that you like will not chase you, girls that you are dismissive of will be the ones to chase you


You don’t want to wind up with someone you don’t like enough to chase.


Follow your heart. Or your dick if your heart is cold.

been visiting old friends who are all now married

they're obviously super interested in the single life, they want to see the app, check it out - so these couples are now swiping on my behalf and then messaging those they match with

mind you these are couples doing it together and they're really trying to plan it out because they want to see "if they still got it"

many of these couples met on tinder so this isn't unknown territory



nearly unanimously shocked at how much it's changed - how all matches are low effort, how they seemingly get unmatched with out of the blue or how the matchees then never respond etc etc

been sobering and nice reminder that it's not so much a product of me losing skillz but rather a dynamic shift in the ecosystem

What if it's like that scene in Don't Mess with the Zohan where it's his heart AND dick acting in unison!?

I’ve only been on tinder and am off it now - are Bumble and Hinge similar in terms of this stuff?

Bumble is kinda like the OkCupid of the past. The hot people are on tinder. And people who wanna get with hot people are on tinder. Bumble is more like the JV squad , and they aren’t trying to **** on the first date. But the third date, sure. Kinder people on bumble, better sex and relationships from girls I met on tinder


I don’t have much exp with hinge, that will be my next endeavor

i'm been holding off on hinge until in a city but bumble and tinder are nearly interchangeable in experience

i think bumble has a slightly better design (but it's annoying to switch between because "next photo" on one app is a "super like" on another so it takes a minute to recalibrate - especially if you predominantly use one over the other

many women are on both, i often "double match"

but not always the case and i would say at least in USA#1 for the cohorts that only choose one or the other, bumble tends to skew more career driven singles who never had time for a family whereas tinder is more divorcee who works at target with joint custody of 2 kids


if upside down land is at all similar, i'd imagine you'll personally find more appropriate matches on bumble

It depends on how attractive you are , physically and emotionally


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thanks, i had no idea how physically attractive you are would have any influence on dating efforts and outcomes

A Like for being an American posting on an international forum who considers the existence of other countries in their post - though obviously you lived abroad.

You say tinder has got worse, are you paying some kind of subscription or using it in free mode?

Badoo is useless in free mode - even if you get swipe on obvious scammers they don't get back to you, which suggests they pretty much aren't showing you to many people..

Interested as I've never had a Tinder account but will probably sign up on a trip to SE Asia later in the year and see how I do there with the new member boost and so on.

never once paid anything on an app, i'm way too much of a cheapskate


badoo had a good run in china for a bit back when tinder became inaccessible without a vpn (i don't recall the issue, i don't think it was blocked directly but rather the way it was designed leaned heavily on facebook/google services which themselves were blocked so it kind of got blocked by accident) - i of course could get around such things but many of the local women couldn't be bothered to do that so just leaned into badoo and tantan but tantan was all bots and vast majority of my matches were like "omg a foreigner can you teach me english" or they thought i was a chinese guy catfishing them - again, because it was 99.9% chinese so i obviously stood out whereas any local on tinder/badoo would see 50% expats

during my post divorce slutty phase i used badoo quite a bit and it leaned heavily towards those looking for random hookups which was very nice - no idea if it was useful in rest of asia or even still useful in china

do recall badoo requiring a lot more upfront investment to find matches (don't recall how it even worked but do recall it was needlessly complicated and not at all the smoove experience of tinder/bumble) which is why once i exited my super slutty phase that i stopped using that app


i never used bumble in asia, was doing so nicely on tinder/badoo

SEA is very common for hookers to use dating apps so would strongly recommend you try to suss that out with any matches before proceeding (not making judgement calls nor even saying don't engage, just that it's better to know ahead of time)

some of the less gifted 2p2ers even post screenshots in various SEA threads where their first question with a match is "are you a whore" which is lol funny because it's just so monumentally stupid to ask because they either are and you unmatch or they aren't and they unmatch


new member boost is very much a real thing

and perhaps covid has changed things, but taiwan is far away and the best tinder experience of my life, super easy to arrange dates and girls were always ready to go, just get a drink at a nearby bar and then ask if they want to see the hotel room and up we go


in all honesty, the best strategy in asia is to have pictures deeply implying wealth, so if you see a nice car before your trip, take a picture standing in front of it specifically for these apps on that trip - trust me, it's a game changer

Because girls have to open in Bumble (or at least they had to, up until that "opening move" ****), that means that most matches you have are actually girls interested in you. But that also means that you'll have less matches, at least in my experience.

Tinder on the other hand feels to me very low effort and many girls will swipe right just for ego boosting reasons like "this guy would **** me" but they might not have any interest on actually dating anyone. Nowadays it feels more like that "hotornot" website where people would rate your pic from 1 to 10 and that's it.

And I think too that the "quality" of the girls on bumble is superior than tinder.

So yea, for me it's pretty easy Bumble >>>> Tinder

One more thing on the paying/not paying: advantage of paying is that you can get volume in with unlimited swipes. For men, volume is pretty much the only thing that matters in the apps because wee don't have the "luxury" women have of using the "sniper" strategy ie I like THAT guy so I'll **** him, for us is more the "machinegun" approach so having unlimited swipes is not only an advantage but a necessity for maximum EV.

Barely got any play in 6 months of Tinder, downloaded Bumble Saturday and am making plans with two women already.

You’re shitting on the best app for hot people in the world. There’s no reason for that. If you’re not hot enough to make it happen on tinder then OK. But that doesn’t mean it sucks


Being cheap when you date might save you money short term but I bet it costs you long term. I got a lifetime sub to bumble for $130 like 7 years ago


But yeah, keep being cheap and then get mad when tinder doesn’t work for you

again, thanks for your insights, i had no idea how important looks were and i guess i'm also discovering that i'm indeed hideous - so your insights are highly valuable and very appreciated


can you please upload the fingerbanging video though? perhaps that can give my butterface and edge!

No I need to go to the gym cause my tinder results arent good

Also was on eharmony last year and Facebook dating this year. Eharmony was meh, too many Christians and women wanting to jump straight into serious relationships. Facebook has been a ghost town for me, swiped right a thousand times on women it said “liked” me, zero chats in two months.

DC, i'm guessing by your registration date that you're >40?

many here itt have found that the difference between being 39 and 40 in online dating is monumental with the prevailing theory being that many women in their 20s and 30s just set 39 as the defacto max age date

Tinder has been nearly worthless for a decade.

Bumble is ok, but worse than Hinge in every way (except maybe hooking up ymmv)

Hinge is the only app worth using. Paying for premium is also worthwhile if you can afford a first date you can afford $30 a month or whatever it costs.

Yep, way over.

Possible silver lining - maybe at 40 you start to get shown to 18-25 women looking for a sugar daddy or silver fox

Thanks for that. Obviously hoping for hookups but it'll be fun anyway.

Right, at least there's plan B if I don't get anywhere with the main plan.

Most of those will be in Seeking.com I'd imagine