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No you are the one needing to see posts above.

Its already been pointed out how travelling in air in droplets =! airborne.

Airborne is when the virus can float unaided in the air the same way a fleck of dust does without being in a non air medium. At the moment Ebola can not survive purely in air. It can maybe travel through air if it is in droplet from a sneeze etc.

If it's airborne (the Ebola expert's choice of words, not mine) via coughing or sneezing, that's FAR more contagious than the public is being led to believe.

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10-13-2014 , 04:49 PM

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Srsly. Guarantee that same quote will be posted many more times itt.

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10-13-2014 , 04:50 PM

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If it's airborne (the Ebola expert's choice of words, not mine) via coughing or sneezing, that's FAR more contagious than the public is being led to believe.

Not once does he say airborne.

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10-13-2014 , 04:54 PM

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Not once does he say airborne.

OMFG, I'm done.

"We know for a fact that the virus occurs in sputum and no one has ever done a study [disproving that] coughing or sneezing is a viable means of transmitting," he said. Unqualified assurances that Ebola is not spread through the air, Bailey said, are "misleading."

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10-13-2014 , 04:57 PM

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Where is airborne in this quote? Nowhere, its not there for a reason.

Can travel through air in flem/sputum etc is not the same as airborne.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas.html

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Can Ebola spread by coughing? By sneezing?
Unlike respiratory illnesses like measles or chickenpox, which can be transmitted by virus particles that remain suspended in the air after an infected person coughs or sneezes, Ebola is transmitted by direct contact with body fluids of a person who has symptoms of Ebola disease. Although coughing and sneezing are not common symptoms of Ebola, if a symptomatic patient with Ebola coughs or sneezes on someone, and saliva or mucus come into contact with that person’s eyes, nose or mouth, these fluids may transmit the disease.

Bolded is airborne, Ebola can travel through air only in the medium of a fluid, that is not technically airborne. Thats not semantics, its useful terminology to separate diseases that can survive in air with no medium from those that cant.

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10-13-2014 , 05:03 PM

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Okay, I conceed the point. Will you concede the point that the public is intentionally being led to believe that Ebola can't be transmitted via coughing or sneezing, and that if it is, that's significantly more contagious than we're being led to believe?

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10-13-2014 , 05:07 PM

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Where is the public being led to believe it cant be transmitted by coughing and sneezing?

Its in fluids, if someone sneezes fluid onto you, same as someone spitting on you or bleeding on you. If someone climbed a ladder and bled on you from a height, its not airborne.

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10-13-2014 , 05:09 PM

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It may already be airborne according to top Ebola experts. See my post above. That may explain why this strain spread like a wildfire in Africa when prior strains were easily contained.

It's not though, cmon it's so highly unlikely as to be a non-starter. Take a common airborne virus like the flu which affects, figures suggest, 60 million people in just the US alone every year. If ebola were as contagious, we'd be seeing a lot more than the reported 8500 cases given the discovery of patient zero was over ten months ago now.

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10-13-2014 , 05:10 PM

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Who is leading you to believe that? The quote directly from the CDC website says it can be. Just because you were under the false impression that you had to bathe in the blood of an infected person to catch it doesn't mean the correct information isn't readily available for you to find.

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10-13-2014 , 05:12 PM

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After the snide comment you just deleted, I'm done. I offered intellectual integrity in this discussion and even conceded that I was wrong on an important point. There's nothing more boring than juvenile tactics in an internet discussion.

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10-13-2014 , 05:14 PM

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Okay, I conceed the point. Will you concede the point that the public is intentionally being led to believe that Ebola can't be transmitted via coughing or sneezing, and that if it is, that's significantly more contagious than we're being led to believe?

ummm no, all it took for me to come to that conclusion on my own was to have the knowledge that the disease is transmitted via contact with bodily fluids of an infected person. If you can't put two and two together that what comes out from a person sneezing/coughing is fluid then I don't know what else to tell you.

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10-13-2014 , 05:16 PM

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The key phrase is "remain suspended." Ebola cant do that.

The quote is referring to a supposition that maybe highly aerosolized fluid containing Ebola can hang in the air for a short time in a enclosed space.

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10-13-2014 , 05:17 PM

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I deleted it when I read your concession. When I posted it you were still insisting on a fallacy.

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10-13-2014 , 05:46 PM

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It didn't spread like wildfire in Africa. By disease standards it spread incredibly slowly. Expanding with an infection rate of between 1 and 2. Those infected were exactly the people you'd expect to see. family members of patients, doctors, nurses and those that had been in close contact with an Ebola patient.

There may well be selective pressure to become more infectious. I'm no expert, but the pressure will be to reduce the symptoms, increase the incubation period and increase the virus being shed. In particular I could see poop being a much more important disease vector over time.

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10-13-2014 , 05:49 PM

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10-13-2014 , 05:57 PM

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If the risk from coughing and sneezing was so high, then why is it only a health care worker who had close contact with likely the patient's blood and not any of his closest family or other contacts? Perhaps some other people are infected by this man but not yet symptomatic, but I personally think from all I've heard that blood is the main fluid that is extremely contagious and patients will only be badly bleeding once they are well past being obviously infected. I'd probably be scared if I worked in the health care field, but really I bet this is just such a small amount of increased risk compared to the other contagious things they encounter on a daily basis.

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10-13-2014 , 06:09 PM

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If the risk from coughing and sneezing was so high, then why is it only a health care worker who had close contact with likely the patient's blood and not any of his closest family or other contacts?

Exactly. We know exactly who the infected were infected by. If this disease was massively contagious and "airborne", we'd have a bunch of randoms in the hospitals now who got infected by riding the same subway wagon as one of the victims or whatever.

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10-13-2014 , 06:18 PM

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while waiting for my pizza at the local pizza place today, I got to overhear some lady talk about how she was terrified her neighbors son had ebola because he was sick and they had a layover in Dallas on some trip they had just taken. Her husband or whoever was telling her the odds of that were really remote, but she was having none of it. She was trying to convince him they should stay at a hotel until he was better, heh.

I really wanted to grab a napkin and hold it over my mouth and move away from them and keep looking over at her, but I didnt.

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10-13-2014 , 06:43 PM

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Ebola-like symptoms in Ottawa now. Dr. Isra Levy, Ottawa's medical officer of health, emphasized that "Ebola virus disease spreads only through direct contact with infected bodily fluids."

But the head of the Ontario Nurses Association said there is no consensus on whether or not Ebola can spread through the air. Linda Haslam-Stroud argued that someone could inhale tiny airborne particles if exposed to them long enough in an enclosed space.

"Aerosol transmission has not been ruled out and this is the fundamental disagreement that we're having right now with the government and we're working with the government to try to resolve," she said.

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10-13-2014 , 07:17 PM

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I feel pretty happy that there is so little ****ed up dramabomb crap in the world this week that we are STILL talking about ebola.

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10-13-2014 , 07:52 PM

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10-13-2014 , 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by smk67

If the risk from coughing and sneezing was so high, then why is it only a health care worker who had close contact with likely the patient's blood and not any of his closest family or other contacts?

From what I understand the virus starts out mild but eventually builds up enough to cause liver necrosis (which means you lose a lot of your blood clotting) and there's an inflammatory response which causes vascular leakage and ultimately areas with thin membranes (eyes, mucus membranes, vagina, anus, GI tract, etc). So the disease is spread through contact with someone's fluids, but the further the disease is, the more there is blood in those fluids and then the more contagious they are. does that make sense? The risk from a cough or a sneeze increases as the person gets sicker.

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10-13-2014 , 08:26 PM

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iirc, some of the worst transmission risk in Africa is with handling the body post mortem.
The family in Texas even had some gripe about how that patient was handled after he died. Lol at not instant cremation.