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This change on the final words said is finally making me agree with everyone on the Malaysian incompetency thing. Before this I mostly felt like people were being too harsh and lots of the complaints were about things coming out slowly, which I figured was due to taking time to verify and such, but now I'm starting to agree that they are just inept.

I agree.

Although reading anything into what the pilot/co-pilot said/didn't say is pretty ridiculous. There is next to zero information about what happened conveyed in the specific wording of either of the reported last messages.

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04-01-2014 , 11:45 PM

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draftdodger

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Originally Posted by chisness

Agree. How difficult is it to get a short sentence correct?

Rightly or wrongly, this will also lead to people questioning whether the Malaysian government had something to do with the disappearance.

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04-01-2014 , 11:51 PM

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SenorKeeed

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pfffff they got the gist of it, what difference does it make?

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04-02-2014 , 12:13 AM

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rjoefish

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The phrasing doesn't matter at all from appearances but the fact that it took them so long to get such a simple thing correct is worrisome.

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04-02-2014 , 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by chisness

I had this when they revealed that turn hadn't been programmed and sent in the final ACARS report. They let the entire world believe that for I think nearly two weeks until they finally denied it. I think they also didn't come out to deny it, but denied it in response to a question.

That is also one of the shocking things, when the entire world is reporting something that is factually inaccurate, how do you not come out with a statement clarifying it? The Malaysians just let it set there and only when they are put on the spot will they tell you the truth.

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04-02-2014 , 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

pfffff they got the gist of it, what difference does it make?

but who knew what when?!!!! BENGHAZIIIII!!!!!!

Oh, wrong thread.

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04-02-2014 , 03:37 AM

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I'm gonna assume the pilot said "allright, goodnight. Malaysian 370." Except he ends all communications with "Malaysian 370" so it didn't seem relevant at first.. hence really his last meaningful words were "allright, goodnight". But now for some reason they decided the "Malaysian 370" part is important - and 'last' words in Malaysia are limited to 3 words. So his last (3) words are "goodnight. Malaysian 370".

They probably feel like "Goodnight Malaysian 370!!!" with incorrect punctuation makes the pilot sound worse and lends credibility to the crash in Indian Ocean theory.

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04-02-2014 , 06:31 AM

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I could be wrong but I remember reading somewhere that the conversations between MH 370 and ATC were in Mandarin and then translated into English and released as a transcript which means that looking at the exact wording used by the (co)pilot is pointless because it doesn't translate precisely.

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04-02-2014 , 06:53 AM

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LolZombies

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This thread will be bumped in 2019 imo when they discovery a bit of debris from the plane. I reckon this plane is gone for good.

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04-02-2014 , 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bingsa

Why would a Malaysian crew speak Mandarin to Malaysian ATC?

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04-02-2014 , 07:43 AM

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Actually I was wrong. I read that the conversation was translated into Mandarin, then a UK paper obtained that translation and translated into English(apparently). This was the first version released though(All right good night). The second one was released by Malaysia(Good night Malaysian 370).

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04-02-2014 , 10:44 AM

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Pretty sure all plane comms are done in English

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04-02-2014 , 12:40 PM

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If governments give up on the search (which they wont tho) James Cameron should make a half documentary/half drama where he tells this story in movie form combined with documentary bits where he goes looking for the plane, and then hopefully finds it. Has potential imo.

Last edited by bbfg; 04-02-2014 at 12:42 PM. Reason: I know the chance that Cameron finds it if the government can't is extremely slim

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04-02-2014 , 12:59 PM

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Have you ever seen Lost in La Mancha? I can see your outline resulting in something similarly gripping.

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04-02-2014 , 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by housenuts

Pretty sure all plane comms are done in English

Although English is the official language of aviation, it's not unusual to hear a pilot and controller use their native language when they recognize that the other guy is a countryman. I've heard this all over the world.

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04-02-2014 , 01:50 PM

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Are all airline pilots fluent in English, or do some pilots have more of a "restaurant Italian" understanding level of English?

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04-02-2014 , 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

Are all airline pilots fluent in English, or do some pilots have more of a "restaurant Italian" understanding level of English?

Every pilot certificate must now have the endorsement "ENGLISH PROFICIENT" on it, but this doesn't necessarily mean the pilot is fluent in English. Every pilot and controller should be familiar with standard aviation phraseology and I cringe when I hear a U.S. pilot sprinkling in colloquialisms and sloppy terminology when flying in other countries' airspace.

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04-02-2014 , 03:55 PM

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Took this off another forum. There is some confusion over the validity of it, but there are claims that it has been put together by relatives of the Chinese on board and shows what they have been told about the turns the plane made before crossing back over Malaysia after take-off.

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04-02-2014 , 05:37 PM

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well if true that would be interesting...

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04-02-2014 , 07:54 PM

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tangent: what percentage of flight attendants are fluent in jive?

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04-02-2014 , 09:59 PM

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tangent: what percentage of flight attendants are fluent in jive?

Only important if Barbara Billingley's not in the passenger cabin.

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04-02-2014 , 11:25 PM

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If it is indeed one the pilots commiting murder/suicide, they are an ******* of the highest order obviously

A guy who seemingly loved flying has now undoubtedly caused all sorts of future hassle, and mostly not required, extra scrutiny for his "peers"

On the plus side maybe the extra hoops airlines will need to go through may save some lives

Measures such as; transponders not being able to be turned off, no way for pilots to depressurise the plane etc will be introduced surely

In before W0X0F gets a cavity search before each flight...