Really though I was ready to go to war over the what the word "sieze" means in the original Hebrew, whether fifty shekels implies the woman is property, referencing other verses where rape is condoned, etc. his move was pretty expert.

I spent ten years studying theology and apologetics, so i'm a huge pain in the ass.

how does it condone rape? marriage is HIS punishment (albeit a minor one) for "ruining" her. if he didn't marry her, no one would. for a single woman at that time, it was a lose/lose situation.

Forcing a rape victim to marry her attacker is clearly win win. Gg god, if only you ruled this corrupt nation nowadays those sluts getting raped would have nothing to fear.

You're such a brave facebook warrior jmakin.

And you're such a brave Christian warrior, Fingers! How dare nonbelievers read your book. The nerve.

sick beat

I just question why he doesn't reply to the FB post with a direct criticism (such as: "that's just your religious beliefs, and they shouldn't dictate public, federal policy") and instead must pull an out-of-context OT verse (which anyone who has studied theology, atheist or theist, knows is intellectually dishonest) to assault it.

I have no interest in derailing this thread to a discussion meant for RGT, but I'll reply in a one-shot post. I simply feel obligated to display why it is an out-of-context, random attack. I'll put it in spoilers. I'm more than willing to continue the discussion over PMs with anyone who so desires!

GTFO

But the part about no gays, that part was translated perfectly. What a ****ing coincidence.

Haha. Just got a PM. I won't discuss this in PMs. The bible is a work of fiction. Refute.

lol, Karak is Christian?

definitely takes the cake for most idiotic post. well done. what moron is this on your FB?

That post is a great example of why the pastor didn't reply. Much better to just pretend these insane verses don't exist than twist yourself into knots trying to defend them--it just draws more attention to the heinous nature of the religious text.

Karak, I find when trying to show bigoted religious people how ridiculous their beliefs are, it helps to use their own holy book.

If you find a troublesome passage, it's "out of context." Don't worry though, there's other verses where women are treated pretty horribly.

Out of numbers 31:

16*Look, these*"women"*caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the*Lord*in the incident of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the*Lord.*17*Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man intimately.*18*But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately.

Now i'm SURE all those girls were violated consensually, and it was the best situation for a single girl in those days who found their entire family murdered.

whole lotta butthurt going on itt

Jmakin is correct. The best way to mock religious people publicly (something we ALL need to be doing, for the sake of the future of our society) and shame them into reading their own text is by posting the text of their own holy book where everybody can see it and make their own conclusions. I like to post bible verses with zero commentary and let people draw their own conclusions. The best is when somebody tries to defend one, but that seems to be happening more and more rarely these days.

Here are some great copy/paste verses for the overlazy.

“And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.”
Numbers 15:32-35

"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."
2 Kings 2:23-24

"Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."
1 Peter 2:18

"Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says."
1 Corinthians 14:34

What's ****ed up is that Pakistan and several other countries actually live by versions of these rules.

lol, this.

We use the context and original translation of all kinds of literature, secular or religious, in order to find their true and accurate meaning. We wouldn't pull 2 sentences out of Plato's Republic and purport to understand them without the rest of the work and knowledge of the time he lived in.

As I said, I won't derail the thread, but I'll try to PM anyone who has a retort or commentary by the end of the weekend. I actually rather enjoy OT discussions. This just isn't the place for it.

He's just trying to recruit you to his church.

I'm no Coach K.

not sure what the problem is here. this may not go far enough tbh

Substitute "TV room" for "church" imo (get too many stares when I want to take advantage of "submission" in church).

I might be doing this thread wrong, but only because of how differently we use Facebook here. It is add everyone. Then remove people.