= just outed yourself as a hipster.

Source? Statements like this needs to be backed up. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say he doesn't like his own mustache.

Soccer isn't that big among L.A. hipsters, it's true. They're much more into baseball if anything. I'm a casual soccer fan and if I go to a bar at 9am on a Saturday to watch either a Champions League final or even a World Cup match last summer, the crowd is like 2% hipster, 98% foreigners and normal sports fans.

Hipster cousin who grows awful facial hair, acknowledges it as "being so awful it's awesome".

Searched the thread and can't believe that no one has pointed out the number one hipster obsession: BACON.

I would take that as he doesn't hate his own mustache. He thinks it's awesome.

(BTW almost all mustaches are ridiculous and not awesome, and I say this as a self-professed hipster).

The baseball/soccer discussion is interesting. It could be a regional thing. In my experience, Chicago hipsters are rarely interested in either the White Sox or the Cubs. The Cubs I can understand because they're pretty much a mainstream marketing brand. I can understand the Sox too because they recently won the WS and it's obviously unacceptable for a hipster to jump on bandwagons, or to appear to be jumping on one.

Is that really any different than someone who wears a NKOTB shirt, saying "this is so awful it's awesome!"

I'm surprised Cubs aren't hipster central.

I would expect hipsters to be fans of Red Sox and Cubs to be tops. Maybe something like the Braves just to be ironic.

Bacon, really?

I swear, those hipsters with their bacon, their cheap and/or expensive beers, their Apple products, their appreciation of major league sports, their Nikes and other tennis shoes. What is it with these people and their ostentatious, perverse taste in things?

lol yeah, this is all fair. i think imagining this discussion as a venn diagram is helpful. the overlap of baseball to hipster is tiny, but the overlap of ironic t-shirts is huge. the overwhelming error itt is assuming that the hipster is one thing, but rather he is a multi-colored coat, capable of exhibiting many shades

In Chicago, Cub fans are associated with white, upperclass, preppy frat boys who don't care about the game, more about getting ****faced and socializing while at the park. So basically the exact opposite of hipster ideals. The neighborhood around Wrigley has a lot to do with this, too. It's on the northside, high rent prices, tons of bars and restaurants catering to 20-somethings and recent college grads.

fwiw, I was just kidding because everyone here seems to hate hipsters and love bacon. Bacon is pretty hipster though, nttawwt.

They don't actually watch the games or care about the teams. They just need to make sure people are aware they're fans of the team/game and notice their scarf.

^ I lol'd

It is important not to mix up "hipster" and "white". A lot of things like Bacon and Apple products are just things white people like. (and you don't have to be white to be "white" obv). Also, EVERYONE likes bacon.

Also, I think baseball fandom comes more from living in a major city. In san fran, everyone love the giants because they are awesome, the games are really fun and cheap to attend (prices have risen obv), and it is super accessible via public transit.

Whhaat? Apple, while not uniquely hipster, is pretty much a requirement for being one. If I think of any brand or product that screams hipster, its Apple. Not all Apple users are hipsters, but all hipsters are Apple users.

And all hipsters are "white".

By the way, I am enjoying this silliness.

All hipsters use Apples, but they don't have to be Apples to be "Apple."

i don't think this is entirely true, and the issue is as mikeyobviously is pointing out - you run into a problem with differentiating the hipster from the culture-conscious yuppie. the two often share similar interests and neighborhoods (and the one can turn into the other given age and education). given that apple products are largely ubiquitous at this point, it doesn't really seem like a meaningful signifier.

meh, i see lots of black and asian hipsters.

I just passed by this guy on a cellphone who was wearing jeans and a t-shirt and carrying a bag of food from Chipotle, and I was like, "****ing hipster."

I think part of the reason there are a lot of hipster baseball fans in LA is that they are NY and Boston transplants. They tend to be much more Yankee and Red Sox fans than Dodger fans interestingly. So, they grow up liking baseball back east, move out here and become hipsters in their 20-somethings and retain their love of their teams.

My sister went to the Art Institute in Chicago and I visited her once. The walls were crawling with skinny, mustachioed, beady-eyed hipsters. I don't remember any of them seeming like baseball fans but it was just a first impression really and of course, it was the Art Institute.

The black hipster, while rare, certainly exists. Depending on the environment he may be noted by his bow tie, brightly colored glasses or argyle socks.

I was in line at the store and dropped a quarter and this 6 year old picked it up and handed it to me. I looked at her, said "F ucking Hipster!!" and I threw it on the ground!!!

I typed "white" in quotation marks. There are lots of black and asian hipsters...

You don't have to be white to be "white", just spare cash and a healthy sense of entitlement.

edit: also note that being white doesn't make you "white".

LOL'd. I follow Donald Glover on Twitter, and I get the impression he has 2/3 of those accessories on him at all times.

yeah i get what you're saying. agree.