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01-09-2010 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DrunkIrish05
Do you actually think opening the comment card was the correct thing for a flight attendant to do? If so, please explain why.
The way I interpreted the chain of events, the comment card was placed in a sealed envelope with no indication that inside was a comment card, a note, 20 dollars, whatever.

I don't know if the envelope was marked, if standard procedure involved all comment cards to be placed in sealed envelopes, or anything like that. All the OP says is "a comment card in a sealed envelope." Was the envelope blank? Who knows. I don't. You don't either. You have no way of knowing if the FA knew a comment card was inside the envelope. So yes, I do actually think opening the envelope was the correct thing for the flight attendant to do.
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01-09-2010 , 02:24 PM
Paging W0X0F...

Also, everyone was an idiot but the guy who wrote the note is the biggest. By the time it got to the captain it was way out of hand. What's the deal with the FA opening the comment card?
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01-09-2010 , 02:29 PM
He has to be charged. For the same reason infraction points/ban are handed out to someone here for making a bad, but harmless, thread. People have to fear the consequences so they won't try to goof off and push the envelope(the pun) with flight staff.


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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Well mentally unstable people often do dangerous stuff.
Terrible sentence.
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01-09-2010 , 02:32 PM
The issue is that the note wasn't a threat. It is just a guy talking about an accident happening on the plane. No where does he mention anything damage being purposely done to the plane. He in fact starts with saying he hopes that it doesn't happen. If you don't take it as a joke it is much more likely to be someone who is scared of flying than someone wanting to cause damage.
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01-09-2010 , 02:43 PM
There are people who are so desperate for drama and to feel important that they will pull crap like this. Halfway back the ****/Mr.Courageous were probably picking out in their minds which outfit and hair style they would wear to the press conference and how great of a blog entry it would make.

Comment card gets opened and somehow mistaken for a terrorist threat. So, even if he planned to destroy the plan why would he first mention it in a sealed comment card and what purpose would that serve besides some silly Made For TV plot with a Zodiac like Villain leaving clues of his plans? And the flight team saved the day! There is no rationale excuse for their reaction unless the guy was totally belligerent.

I hope he sues the airline for millions.
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01-09-2010 , 02:44 PM
Yeah the big question here is do comment cards come with sealed envelopes (which would give the writer the assumption that it wouldn't be immediately opened), or did the dude provide his own envelope somehow? If the former than he has a pretty good case, if the latter than not so much. The lawyers can argue that one out.
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01-09-2010 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
The charges in question are a huge over reaction but he deserves some kind of charges against him.
For writing on a comment card that said he is scared and that he doesn't want the plan to crash and land on Gilligan's Island without Ginger and Mary Anne and doesn't want to be eaten by head hunters?

What if a person was to just become nervous and tell a flight attendant that they were scared of flying and afraid that the plane would crash. Is that also a terrorist threat?
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01-09-2010 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ProfessorPain
For writing on a comment card that said he is scared and that he doesn't want the plan to crash and land on Gilligan's Island without Ginger and Mary Anne and doesn't want to be eaten by head hunters?

What if a person was to just become nervous and tell a flight attendant that they were scared of flying and afraid that the plane would crash. Is that also a terrorist threat?
Did you really ask that? The two things arent even remotely similar.
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01-09-2010 , 03:09 PM
There's no threat in that note. This is totally daft, and I have no issue with charges against people who make joke threats by the way. Also, with the absence of other information we have to assume the envelope came with the card, as is common with comment cards when there's no slot box. This entire bull**** is a product of the culture of fear that's been fed to us for years now.
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01-09-2010 , 03:12 PM
Meh...the guy shouldn't have written the note. He doesn't deserve to go to jail obv but maybe a small fine for acting in bad taste.
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01-09-2010 , 03:12 PM
Terry Tate: Office Linebacker needs to become Terry Tate: Flight Attendant and just beat the **** out of morons like the note writer.
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01-09-2010 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Did you really ask that? The two things arent even remotely similar.
The trouble is, Phill, you come across as a very highly strung and very nervous individual who seems to approve of the most draconian nonsense being enacted to save your ass from things that no rational person would even consider a threat.

The text on the comment card was (to anyone who's ever read more than a couple of books) a parody of some writing style. To anyone who can manage to get through their day without a kilo of Valium it was quite obviously humorous.

Every time something like this happens it's another success for Bin Laden who seems to have managed to turn half of the US into quivering wrecks who have lost all sense of proportion.
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01-09-2010 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by surfinillini
Meh...the guy shouldn't have written the note. He doesn't deserve to go to jail obv but maybe a small fine for acting in bad taste.
Has the concept of free speech been completely abandoned in the US, now?

People think it's acceptable to fine, beat up, or even jail someone for sending a comment to a corporation that makes no threat whatsoever nor wishes any ill fortune on them or their employees.

I just can't believe what a lot of timid little pussies people have become in the last ten years.
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01-09-2010 , 03:42 PM
IMO, this talk at TED by Barry Schwartz is fitting to the topic at hand. It is about the "Loss of Wisdom". It has nothing to do with airline security.

"... rules and procedures may be dumb, but they spare you from thinking."

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/b...of_wisdom.html
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01-09-2010 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Taso
If I was writing a secret commentary thing I wouldn't expect it to be opened by the person I just handed it to, either. It's not very anonymous then, is it?
Protip: If you get pissed off at the stewardess because she won't let you store your bag under the seat and then tell her you want a commentary card she's going to open it.
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01-09-2010 , 03:54 PM
Did someone post this already?

He's being punished for not being paranoid or terrified.

How can you not be terrified!?!? Shame. We've been explaining this terrorism thing pretty clearly.
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01-09-2010 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
The charges in question are a huge over reaction but he deserves some kind of charges against him.

It is irrelevant what his intentions were and that terrorists dont joke about being terrorists. Most of the time staff are bound by the rules in place and they have to treat all threats as real.
WTF?


He didn't make any threats.
He made a stupid joke about the plane getting torn apart. That is not the same thing as threatening to tear the plane apart yourself.
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01-09-2010 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Edit, right or wrong dont joke about plane crashes in this day and age, Jesus, its not hard. If the note wasnt opened on the flight he would clearly still get investigated by the FBI or Homeland security or whoever later on. That is not a normal thing to write.

See Phill understands, he's scared witless.
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01-09-2010 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rushmore
That's right--he should counter with a suit alleging invasion of privacy.

He should have The Professor prepare his case. He can show up with a briefcase made out of coconuts.
Then Ginger could try to seduce the judge while Mary Ann bakes him some cookies.
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01-09-2010 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DrunkIrish05
Do you actually think opening the comment card was the correct thing for a flight attendant to do? If so, please explain why.
I think the comment card probably says to leave it in the seat back.
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01-09-2010 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Yeah the big question here is do comment cards come with sealed envelopes
I think it is unlikely that he would have had an envelope on him before the flight.

I'm sure it is also, or soon will be illegal to bring an unmarked unsealed envelope on a passenger plane.
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01-09-2010 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Steven_Q_Erkel
infraction points/ban are handed out to someone here for making a bad, but harmless, thread.
Where do you find your score? What is a good score?
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01-09-2010 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BigPoppa
WTF?


He didn't make any threats.
He made a stupid joke about the plane getting torn apart. That is not the same thing as threatening to tear the plane apart yourself.
If you do something to insult me and i say it would be unfortunate if you were to fall down some stairs later tonight, could you not infer that i just threatened you?

The context of this is way more important than the content.

And i know he didnt make threats, but thats how it was read and i fully understand why the cabin crew took such a conclusion. I have no idea how someone could not understand them reaching such a conclusion having been handed that note.

Fwiw i get the irony that some prick tries to be funny and they catch him under anti terror laws and they failed to catch the Nigerian guy from the Xmas day failed attack when he had huge warning signs of being a terrorist from being on a watch list to him buying a one way ticket in cash and having no luggage.
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01-09-2010 , 06:33 PM
I think the direct analogy is you do something to insult me and I complain that I'm afraid fictional TV characters will do something to assault me.
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01-09-2010 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammerhands
I think the direct analogy is you do something to insult me and I complain that I'm afraid fictional TV characters will do something to assault me.
Are you a "truth"er. You have a style of writing that gives me the impression you are one of them.

(no offence intended if you arent)
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