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Old 04-11-2015, 09:27 PM   #76
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Re: The biggest lie: Revisiting Heliocenticisim and a Flat Earth for the first time

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The midnight sun does not exist in Antarctica. Heliocentrists also cannot explain why the Midnight Sun phenomenon is not experienced anywhere in the Southern hemisphere at any time of year. Quite to the contrary, it has been recorded by the Royal Belgian Geographical Society in “Expedition Antarctique Belge,” that during the most severe part of the Antarctic winter, from 71 degrees South latitude onwards, the sun sets on May 17th and is not seen above the horizon again until July 21st! This is completely at odds with the ball-Earth theory, but easily explained by the flat-Earth model. The Midnight Sun is seen from high altitudes in extreme Northern latitudes during Arctic summer because the Sun, at its inner-most cycle, is circling tightly enough around the polar center that it remains visible above the horizon for someone at such a vantage point. Likewise, in extreme Southern latitudes during Arctic summer, the Sun completely disappears from view for over 2 months because there at the Northern Tropic, at the inner-most arc of its boomerang journey, the Sun is circling the Northern center too tightly to be seen from the Southern circumference.
This is a copy-pasta from here:

http://ifers.boards.net/thread/97/mi...sun-antarctica

where it was a post by the admin.

Such a weak troll. Just copy a load of crap off a flat-earth website, it's like you couldn't even be bothered.
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Old 04-11-2015, 09:27 PM   #77
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Re: The biggest lie: Revisiting Heliocenticisim and a Flat Earth for the first time

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River, you still haven't stated what's on the underside of the earth.
It takes a long time to post and respond, this isnt a sprint i'll be here answering and adding everything I can over time.

To answer your question I don't know. My FE earth belief is that this world was created as our terrarium and we aren't meant to get out (easily). We are exceptional diggers and yet the deepest anyone has ever dug is 8 miles. The digging exploration had to stop after 8 miles because it was practically impossible to dig any deeper due to the hardness of the material. It is completely improbable that the core/mantel/crust model presented is accurate given we've never gone any deeper than that and have no evidence to make such a guess.

Like I said, I think we are meant to stay in. We cant dig our way down. There is a massive ice wall that has extreme climate to face that we have to sail on salt water to get to. We can't go up because of radiation and the thermosphere is too hot.
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Old 04-11-2015, 09:31 PM   #78
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Re: The biggest lie: Revisiting Heliocenticisim and a Flat Earth for the first time

Yea, no evidence about what the inside of the earth is like other than seismic wave data and fluid dynamics. ****ing moron.
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Old 04-11-2015, 09:35 PM   #79
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Re: The biggest lie: Revisiting Heliocenticisim and a Flat Earth for the first time

seriously this is stuff people with a 10th grade education can easily understand.

he isn't a troll, unless he's been doing this for years. A lot of the FEers just copy paste **** they don't really understand from various crackpot sources. Seriously look it up, it's amazing reading.
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Old 04-11-2015, 09:37 PM   #80
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Re: The biggest lie: Revisiting Heliocenticisim and a Flat Earth for the first time

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Good boat on the horizon gif.
This is pretty convincing.
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Old 04-11-2015, 09:37 PM   #81
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Re: The biggest lie: Revisiting Heliocenticisim and a Flat Earth for the first time

NO MIDNIGHT SUN. Those researchers in Antarctica are seeing the sun all day, everyday in the December because it's PERCEPTION.
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Old 04-11-2015, 09:37 PM   #82
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Re: The biggest lie: Revisiting Heliocenticisim and a Flat Earth for the first time

We're so lucky to have jmakin here to set this guy straight on the facts.
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Old 04-11-2015, 09:46 PM   #83
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This is pretty convincing.
Yes. I'm definitely convinced it's a cool gif.
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Old 04-11-2015, 09:47 PM   #84
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Re: The biggest lie: Revisiting Heliocenticisim and a Flat Earth for the first time

jmakin makes assertions that have no basis in reality.

-He says it is atmospheric refraction is the cause of seeing objects thousands of feet below the horizon. It is laughable.

-He admits that the earth does not curve in such circumstances as salt flats, states, and rivers but instead these are outliers and invents us living on a porcupine earth. Laughable.

-He thinks that fluid dynamics explain the mantel when the model they are running on is incorrect and the factual information is we have never been lower than 8 miles because it is impenetrable.
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Old 04-11-2015, 09:49 PM   #85
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Re: The biggest lie: Revisiting Heliocenticisim and a Flat Earth for the first time

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The midnight sun does not exist in Antarctica. Heliocentrists also cannot explain why the Midnight Sun phenomenon is not experienced anywhere in the Southern hemisphere at any time of year. Quite to the contrary, it has been recorded by the Royal Belgian Geographical Society in “Expedition Antarctique Belge,” that during the most severe part of the Antarctic winter, from 71 degrees South latitude onwards, the sun sets on May 17th and is not seen above the horizon again until July 21st! This is completely at odds with the ball-Earth theory, but easily explained by the flat-Earth model. The Midnight Sun is seen from high altitudes in extreme Northern latitudes during Arctic summer because the Sun, at its inner-most cycle, is circling tightly enough around the polar center that it remains visible above the horizon for someone at such a vantage point. Likewise, in extreme Southern latitudes during Arctic summer, the Sun completely disappears from view for over 2 months because there at the Northern Tropic, at the inner-most arc of its boomerang journey, the Sun is circling the Northern center too tightly to be seen from the Southern circumference.
Reading this paragraphed nearly hypnotized me.
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Old 04-11-2015, 09:54 PM   #86
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Re: The biggest lie: Revisiting Heliocenticisim and a Flat Earth for the first time


Here is a nice balloon video that shows the horizon rises to meet the vantage point at all times. This is only possible on a flat earth. If the earth was curved the higher up you went the quicker the drop off below would be. This video like most balloon videos show that there is no curvature.

Just remember every time youve looked out an airplane window have you ever noticed even the slightest bit of curvature? It does not happen.
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Old 04-11-2015, 09:58 PM   #87
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Re: The biggest lie: Revisiting Heliocenticisim and a Flat Earth for the first time

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Reading this paragraphed nearly hypnotized me.
This should get you fully there:

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Old 04-11-2015, 10:00 PM   #88
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Re: The biggest lie: Revisiting Heliocenticisim and a Flat Earth for the first time

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jmakin makes assertions that have no basis in reality.

-He says it is atmospheric refraction is the cause of seeing objects thousands of feet below the horizon. It is laughable.
laughable in what way? Show me the math that your imaginary lighthouses on a curved earth would result me actually looking THOUSANDS of feet below the horizon.

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-He admits that the earth does not curve in such circumstances as salt flats, states, and rivers but instead these are outliers and invents us living on a porcupine earth. Laughable.
Laughable in what way? It seems you do not know how debate works, or even your own debate that matter - all you said said was, WHAT ABOUT SALT FLATS OR HOW KANSAS IS FLAT, HUH? To which I countered that using that continuation of logic you could point at any existing earth feature and claim that accurately indicates the shape of the rest of the surface. So what are you asserting again? That because flat objects exist on earth, a flat earth exists? Please tell me it goes deeper than that.


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-He thinks that fluid dynamics explain the mantel when the model they are running on is incorrect and the factual information is we have never been lower than 8 miles because it is impenetrable.
How is the model incorrect? In what way? The reason we've never dug past the mantle, which by the way, is only a semi-solid - is because the temperature was too hot and the logistics too complicated to practically continue. It gets really ****ing hot the deeper you go into the earth, and we know it is not uniformly solid because seismic wave data collected at various points across the earth's surface shows they travel at different speeds according to what material they're passing through.
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Old 04-11-2015, 10:07 PM   #89
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Re: The biggest lie: Revisiting Heliocenticisim and a Flat Earth for the first time

Ok, since science obviously isn't your strong suit, let me ask a more practical question. On the disc-earth map, Buenos Aires, Argentina & Sydney, Australia are on opposite sides of the world and the shortest route between them would take you roughly past the north pole, right? A very cursory search shows me I can book a flight between the two right now that would get me from one to the other in about 19 hours. However if I look for flights between either of them & Anchorage, Alaska, which appears to be about halfway between, the shortest flight I can find is about 22 hours. How do you explain this?
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Old 04-11-2015, 10:11 PM   #90
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Re: The biggest lie: Revisiting Heliocenticisim and a Flat Earth for the first time

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LOL U! What is this 'gravity' of which u speak?
Gravity isnt real, it is a made up force to make models work.

To answer questions about the moon and the flat earth and why the RE model is bogus. The Moon has 1/6 the gravitational pull of the Earth, yet it is claimed to move our oceans changing the shape of a mass four times greater than itself from 238,000 miles away. This is achieved despite the Earth’s greater pull and the even greater gravitational pull by the Sun 93million miles away that locks in both the Earth and Moon in orbit. However, the Moon’s gravity is so great it able to over power the Sun and Earth, through our stratospheres, tropospheres, ionospheres, and magnetosphere that surround Earth and move the oceans. The moons pull is so consistent that we can set our tidal tables almost up to the second. Yet the tidal pulls are not the same everywhere. Some areas have tidal changes of dozens of feet and only a short distance away tidal change is as little as foot or two. Curiously, the Moon’s gravity cannot be measured on all lakes, rivers, ponds and streams. So we have gravity of the moon and earth that holds the oceans in place, while spinning around on its axis at 1,000 mph by gravity that is 238 times stronger than the centrifugal force that would normally cause everything to get flung outwardly by rotational force alone.

Gravity is completely bunk at this point. Ill get more into the history of why it was invented later on.
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Ok, since science obviously isn't your strong suit, let me ask a more practical question. On the disc-earth map, Buenos Aires, Argentina & Sydney, Australia are on opposite sides of the world and the shortest route between them would take you roughly past the north pole, right? A very cursory search shows me I can book a flight between the two right now that would get me from one to the other in about 19 hours. However if I look for flights between either of them & Anchorage, Alaska, which appears to be about halfway between, the shortest flight I can find is about 22 hours. How do you explain this?
Are these flights direct nonstop?
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Old 04-11-2015, 10:17 PM   #92
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What's the Vegas line on OP being sincere?
If you have seen any of his previous postings it seems pretty sincere.
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Old 04-11-2015, 10:22 PM   #93
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Re: The biggest lie: Revisiting Heliocenticisim and a Flat Earth for the first time

COMPLETELY BUNK
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Re: The biggest lie: Revisiting Heliocenticisim and a Flat Earth for the first time

jmakin

The lack of curvature applies everywhere you can feasibly apply it to. There is no drop off on any reasonably measurable area. From a simple miles to thousands of them this holds across the world.

Explain how water moves uphill as it would have to on any of the great rivers that are north of the equator?

Because we can measure seismic information doesnt mean we know there is a core, it just means there is something beneath what we've dug. It doesnt prove or disprove a globe and why when I said I dont know I dont really sweat about it because I have no idea whats outside any of the boundaries.
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OP. Do you think there is some kind of coverup or conspiracy in science. or do you think the round earth model is just an inaccurate consensus.
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Are these flights direct nonstop?
Seriously? They all have a couple hours of layovers. Call it 16 hours in air for Sydney to Buenos Aires, 20 hours for either to Anchorage. It doesn't change the question.
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Lol you think a river flowing north on a curved earth would be going uphill.... My god i don't even...
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OP. Do you think there is some kind of coverup or conspiracy in science. or do you think the round earth model is just an inaccurate consensus.
At this point I believe there is a clear coverup.

This all started back with Hipparchus who invented triangulation and because he could not possibly get a base distance or angle measurement he concluded that the stars were infinitely far away. Ptolemy came after him who built his system going off of Hipparchus' work without ever challenging the infinite distance work. Somewhere in the next wave of Copernicus, Brahe, and Galileo the church and free masons got involved and everything since then has been suspect.

The important thing to know about all that all of astronomy has been built off the original assumption that stars are infinitely distant and without challenging that assumption has lead us into the current predicament we are in now.
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btw i like talking with anyone who is into astronomy or fringe astronomy. you know anyone in these field is a strange dude. Ever see a 8000k telescope in a store and wonder what kind of ****ing wierdo would buy that?
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So, RF, why exactly are we all being lied to? How is it advantageous to the powers that be for us to believe the earth isn't flat?
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