maybe it takes ridiculous amount of energy to send someone back in time.

The first time you send one. The second time at least 5.

genius

Wow, I hope the thread doesn't go in this direction.

"In Apollo 13, they weren't really on a rocket ship, it was filmed in a movie studio."

(In the final scene of The Sopranos, when The Man In The Members Only Jacket walked into the mens room, he actually walked into the LADIES room. They switched the signs on the doors when they filmed, because that door faced Tony's booth, and was in a better position for the cameras to see. I would mention it here, but it's not a glaring plot hole.)

In The Hangover, when they're coming back on the highway from Vegas, Alan arranges for a mobile tuxedo delivery to throw them all tuxes so they can get changed for the wedding while on the way home, yet the tux tailors wouldn't have measurements for any of them?

Maybe they remembered them from their original tux sizings?

in most pr0n movies a guy meets a chic, and 5 minutes later she is deepthroating him and/or he is doggying her the hard way.
doesnt happen in real life(at least not in mine).

Iirc Alan surprised everybody by arranging this by himself, could be wrong though.

maybe if you'd worked a little harder

Just about every legal movie I've ever seen is completely ******ed about the law ldo. I just ignore that and take the movie for what it is.

But I couldn't forgive the writers of "Double Jeopardy," who base the entire movie about a complete misunderstanding of what double jeopardy is. The premise of the movie is that Ashley Judd is charged and acquitted of murdering her husband because husband wasn't really dead, so now she can murder him any time she wants! Hurray, double jeopardy.

What annoyed me the most was there was not a single person in the chain of command who thought that was a little strange or maybe wanted to ask an actual lawyer about it.

well, I don't know if this changes things, but she was already charged, tried, and convicted of killing him and did 8 years or something

Yep, she was owed that murder!

Double Jeopardy is for the EXACT crime that happened. If you're accused of trying to kill Steve on 1/25/2009 with a pipe wrench in his house and are given a not guilty verdict, they can never try you for the 1/25/09 incident again.

No it didnt.

It sent back two terminators at the exact same time because that was all it had chance to do before the resistance seized the facility that housed the time machine. (this is established in a book somewhere and is considered canon to the films)

The third terminator film it sent back a much more advanced machine several years in the future of when it sent back the T1000 (and the resistance sent another T800) - hence the Arnie in T3 was an upgraded T850 and the "bad" terminator was there to assassinate Connor's generals showing a shift in strategy.

As for why it didnt repeatedly try and kill John in the past given it managed to kill John in the future (its present) it didnt worry about him anymore as a threat? Given it only used the time machine on two separate occasions, causing T1 and T2, then later when it got another machine up and running it had already terminated John and so decided its next biggest threats should be removed in the past.

As far as Skynet being created from the first Terminator film - Sarah said the date of J day at the start of T2 as 97 and that is the same date the terminator tells her later in the film. So sending back the terminator in T1 didnt change the date, it was an established fact that the terminator's chip was found.

That or it was a production error

It was never stated in T1 the date of J day - but for Sarah to know at the start of T2 then Reese had to have told her at some point.

I've always hated the "thief wants to retire/go straight, but gets blackmailed or otherwise coerced into pulling one last job" plot device. For once, I'd like the thief to respond by capping the guy trying to blackmail him.


Also hate the "bad guy tries to kill good guy, good guy responds with elaborate scheme to steal from or otherwise inconvenience bad guy" plots. This is especially stupid when the "good" guy is a career criminal (as in "The Italian Job") and should be expected to meet violence with equal violence.

It was supposed to still "appear" to be a murder in the precogs eyes. Additionally, the whole point of the movie was whether the precogs were always right or if "we had a choice" so IMO trying to call this our is an epic fail.

Phill- You're missing the point. Why did they send the T1000 to 1992 instead of sending it to like 1984 the same week as their first T800 attack when they developed enough energy to send another terminator back?

yeah but career criminals aren't necessarily murderers.

In Major League, the owner wants to field a terrible team because she can break the lease if they draw less than 800,000 in home attendance.

At the end of the movie they've obviously drawn well over that 800,000 mark. Regardless of the outcome of the final game, she can't move the team. She could make a few million off a playoff appearance if the win they game, but she is still rooting against them.

She was a bitch

Kind of like the Major League one above - in Rounders, why is Grandma pissed when Mike beats KGB? Wouldn't he rather get paid than kick someone's ass? It kind of defeats the point of being a loan shark if your top objective isn't to get your money back. Otherwise, the job is like paying someone to let you beat the **** out of him. If the ass-kicking is still the top priority in special cases like this one, why not take the money from Mike, then beat him senseless just for the fun of it?

Yeah, this would have made at least a little sense if it was Worm Grama was getting his hands on but as is this scene pretty much makes no sense.

those aren't plot holes, those are stupid people with grudges

Your avatar makes the reply so much better.

They sent back the T800 which changed the course of John's life, to point Sarah disappeared off the grid and they didnt surface until not long before the events of T2, so they sent back the T1000 at the next known point in time where John was going to be able to find, which was just after Sarah was committed and John was taken into foster care.

Btw, here is a head **** for you and a much better plot hole. If Skynet didnt send back a terminator to kill Sarah, would John have been born to lead the Resistance? So when Skynet sends back the Terminator not only does it have a hand in helping to develop itself, it also has a hand in helping to develop its nemesis and its own eventual destructor. But taken another way, if the Terminator had been successful it would have then found somewhere out of the way to park up and wait for J day - so J day and Skynet's development would be delayed to the point it may never even occur, or at least delayed to the point someone else could be fated to take the role of leading the Resistance to Victory.

In fact so much of what is said about future John ("he taught us how to charge the fences and how to fight back" etc) that the entire future history of Skynet and John is so interwoven that without one the other would never exist in the same way.

So, given J day doesnt change, that John's father was always Reese and Connor would always lead the resistance, a better question is did anything change in the future when Skynet sent back the first Terminator?

See, time travel films, its always a huge bag of fail when you try and examine them beyond the basic surface.