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07-01-2016 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by granddam
Mental issues can be worse than physical.

Purely subjective. My shrink would agree with you. My oncologist? Not so much.
Correct. I did not say, "Mental issues are worse than physical."
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07-01-2016 , 10:31 PM
I wonder if I could get an emotional support silverback gorilla on a plane
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07-01-2016 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bdiddy131313
I wonder if I could get an emotional support silverback gorilla on a plane
Why not? Just say that you have lethal agoraphobia and you're good to go.
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07-01-2016 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by amead
Nobody is criticizing making reasonable accommodations. We're talking about where the line between reasonable and unreasonable accommodations lies.



Also lol at a obese person being allowed to preboard being some kind of sacrifice for the rest of us.
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07-01-2016 , 11:57 PM
Panic disorder is associated with increased cardiac mortality and suicide attempts, and agoraphobia increases the risk of suicide further, but let's keep making fun of people who take these disorders seriously.
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07-02-2016 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
"Can't" <> "doesn't want to". Take gobbo, for example. I respect the guy a great deal. But we all saw him on tv in FRIGGIN' AUSTRALIA! I couldn't fly to Australia for love or money because I can't stand being cooped up with a hundred arseholes for that long. But he did it, without the dog afaik. I've seen him at the WSOP, looking decidedly unstressed and having a great time. I can't believe that an ESA is NECESSARY for him to function. Wanted, sure, but not necessary.
This makes no sense. Australia was almost 10 years ago. 1/3 of my life. I had depression issues that started 4-5 years after that. It's not as though I always felt that way. I've gotten a lot of therapy and feel much better now. But there was a time where the ability to have Oscar with me helped a great deal. Far more than it hurt people to say "oh hey there's a dog."

The more I read this thread the more I realize people need a lot more education on mental health issues. It's just becoming a big circlejerk where everyone can laugh at people who are going through the worst moment of their lives.
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07-02-2016 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbo
The more I read this thread the more I realize people need a lot more education on mental health issues. It's just becoming a big circlejerk where everyone can laugh at people who are going through the worst moment of their lives.
Link to any post doing this?
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07-02-2016 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
The people who "need" ESAs are deeply disturbed. We saw gregorio earlier imply that some have agoraphobia so severely that it could kill them, yet they insist on going out.

Anything is possible with them.
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Originally Posted by bdiddy131313
I wonder if I could get an emotional support silverback gorilla on a plane
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Originally Posted by Rapini
Why not? Just say that you have lethal agoraphobia and you're good to go.
Just from this page. Making light of people going through serious issues as though they're doing it just to **** with people.
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07-02-2016 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Yakmelk
Gobbo, just an honest question, did you have different kinds of therapies for your anxiety disorder ? Did they work ? What were your experiences with those therapies ? Imo there is a world of treatment between pills and an ESA.
I started with a psychiatrist who had me on two different drugs but I felt they were just treating the symptoms more than the actual root of the issue. I bounced around from different psychologists who insisted I had a gambling problem because I played poker for a living until I found my current therapist in Vegas who actually treats a lot of poker players. It was only recently that I realized I hadn't felt depressed for a few weeks.

For me it was a lot of talking through my issues and realizing the crux of what caused them. ESAs are there to help with the symptoms and not solve the problems and they feel significantly better than taking pills.
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07-02-2016 , 12:58 AM
Gobbo,

We're actually laughing at guys like Chance Kornuth and Jason Mercier who knowingly game the system, but at the same time knowingly hurt real people with real ESA needs like yourself.

Because the fact is they don't really give a **** about you. They just want their dogs with them. Not because they need them, but because they want them.

Its called hubris.
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07-02-2016 , 01:08 AM
I got nothing against them, its just that they are your problem. Not guys making fun of them, and people like them, gaming the system.

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07-02-2016 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbo
Just from this page. Making light of people going through serious issues as though they're doing it just to **** with people.
none of those posts are laughing at people going through the worst moments of their lives. They are laughing at the absurdity of unrestricted ESA use.
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07-02-2016 , 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
Panic disorder is associated with increased cardiac mortality and suicide attempts, and agoraphobia increases the risk of suicide further, but let's keep making fun of people who take these disorders seriously.
My brother's mother-in-law was on sickness benefits in the UK because she had agoraphobia and couldn't go out to work. She could go out to the pub though.
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07-02-2016 , 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
ESAs are much bigger than airplanes,
Like the Argentinosaurus?
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07-02-2016 , 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
My brother's mother-in-law was on sickness benefits in the UK because she had agoraphobia and couldn't go out to work. She could go out to the pub though.
standard

A pharmacist I worked with couldn't work anymore because of a wrist injury but she still played on our volleyball team and still played fiddle in her band. Not a problem as far as disability payments are concerned i guess.
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07-02-2016 , 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
Panic disorder is associated with increased cardiac mortality and suicide attempts, and agoraphobia increases the risk of suicide further, but let's keep making fun of people who take these disorders seriously.
I don't think the people you replied to are making fun of them but agoraphobia isn't lethal in the sense that rapini was going for. I'm pretty sure that a lot of non psychological issue's have a lot of these things as well (higher mortality rate and suicide rate). Pain is no fun.

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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
standard

A pharmacist I worked with couldn't work anymore because of a wrist injury but she still played on our volleyball team and still played fiddle in her band. Not a problem as far as disability payments are concerned i guess.
Lol, what is standard about that ? What is your sample for coming to that conclusion ? I'm not even sure what this post is saying but nonetheless I'm pretty sure that it's dumb whatever it is.
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07-02-2016 , 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbo
I started with a psychiatrist who had me on two different drugs but I felt they were just treating the symptoms more than the actual root of the issue. I bounced around from different psychologists who insisted I had a gambling problem because I played poker for a living until I found my current therapist in Vegas who actually treats a lot of poker players. It was only recently that I realized I hadn't felt depressed for a few weeks.

For me it was a lot of talking through my issues and realizing the crux of what caused them. ESAs are there to help with the symptoms and not solve the problems and they feel significantly better than taking pills.
Have you felt like your situation has improved a lot since finding that therapist ? Did you ever go through things like CBT ?
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07-02-2016 , 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Yakmelk

Lol, what is standard about that ? What is your sample for coming to that conclusion ? I'm not even sure what this post is saying but nonetheless I'm pretty sure that it's dumb whatever it is.
lot of people shamelessly game the disability system? thought it was pretty obvious
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07-02-2016 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Yakmelk
Have you felt like your situation has improved a lot since finding that therapist ? Did you ever go through things like CBT ?
Yeah definitely. My outlook on life is completely different and I'm working on improving every facet of my life. Before I just laid in bed 22 hours a day sleeping and wanted to die constantly.

My current therapist is CBT.
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07-02-2016 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
Panic disorder is associated with increased cardiac mortality and suicide attempts, and agoraphobia increases the risk of suicide further, but let's keep making fun of people who take these disorders seriously.
Better yet, let's keep pretending that unsupported opinions are facts.

I can take a disorder seriously without thinking it's a good idea to allow people to have pets in places where it's a bad idea to have pets.

I'm very serious about lethal agoraphobia. I think it's a horrifying disease that should have an awareness month. I don't think that we should use lethal agoraphobia as an excuse to allow pets everywhere.
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07-02-2016 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
Better yet, let's keep pretending that unsupported opinions are facts.

I can take a disorder seriously without thinking it's a good idea to allow people to have pets in places where it's a bad idea to have pets.

I'm very serious about lethal agoraphobia. I think it's a horrifying disease that should have an awareness month. I don't think that we should use lethal agoraphobia as an excuse to allow pets everywhere.
If anything that should be anxiety disorder month, other then that seems like you are right again.
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07-03-2016 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
I just went on an airplane and passengers were told if you are near row 16, please don't eat peanuts because a kid is allergic.

There was also a morbidly obese man who got to pre-board.

We all make accommodations.
These are reasonable though. Animals on planes is not. Its ****ing insane to ban smoking but institute useage of turkeys, llamas, dogs.

If you cant fly without these things. YOU DONT FLY. (in a normal, sane world)
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07-03-2016 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 27offsuit
Gobbo,

We're actually laughing at guys like Chance Kornuth and Jason Mercier who knowingly game the system, but at the same time knowingly hurt real people with real ESA needs like yourself.

Because the fact is they don't really give a **** about you. They just want their dogs with them. Not because they need them, but because they want them.

Its called hubris.
this 10000000x

Even with the truly mentally sick, i still dont think their animals should be on planes, but i do feel sorry for someone that sick.


the actual number of people who NEED these animals must be staggeringly low in comparison to the numbers of ESA animals that exist just "cuz u cant stop me trolol".
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07-05-2016 , 12:35 PM
I haven't been in this thread in a while. Have we yet determined through real studies that ESAs are actually effective compared to established treatments?
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07-08-2016 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
I haven't been in this thread in a while. Have we yet determined through real studies that ESAs are actually effective compared to established treatments?
No.

In order to contribute to a serious discussion, I am not trying to belittle anyone's mental condition.

There are a number of conditions both mental and physical that would preclude someone from flying that it's not possible to accommodate, unfortunately these people have to make do with not flying.

In the case of people where we can be accommodating and allow them to fly, then by all means lets be accommodating. But even in the case of mentally ill people, I would hope they could also be accommodating where possible, and try to cope with an emotional support small cat or dog rather than a turkey, pig or horse.

I'd like to see evidence as to why a particular animal is necessary.
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