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05-27-2010 , 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jtown1010
Well he said "literally running" FWIW, and I don't think that's possible unless there are too many people to make that much money.

Obv you can do it with an ATV, I'd never dispute that.

An ambitious enough group with the right connections could work miracles with an ATV.

Carrying tons of dope for miles and miles is tough work.

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We're also putting these guys into a purchasing/distribution role here, this isn't smuggling.

My beef is with making the 40 million, purely from smuggling herb you can carry while walking a few miles.
ya def, they werent just smuggling, smuggling/selling seems to be being used interchangeably in this thread so i just went along lol. smuggling is always just a flat fee, and for weed, I cant imagine getting more than 1 or 2k per run. Apparently, from that article, they did actually walk carry the weed 7 miles, which is ******ed.
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05-27-2010 , 05:52 AM
05-27-2010 , 05:53 AM
Didn't read all the replies but here is my 2 cents:

When I were younger I had a friend that were asked to take over the drug dealing in my home area after the previous top dog got caught and put into jail. He also had a ton of stories of how people even in the top got a lot of visits from people that either were trying to take over the area and also stories how they needed to protect their "business". (Which meant going over to people with baseball bats)
And this is in Sweden where guns aren't so common.

So if you would like a high risk job with relative low income vs. risk then drug dealing might be something for you. (You also need a good contact network so you have a lot of people you know that you can trust. There is constantly a ton of backstabing in this environement)

BTW - I'm still very glad that I left that "community". There is so much stupidity among these groups of people and there is so much s*it going on all the time.
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05-27-2010 , 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Lewkiz
Didn't read all the replies but here is my 2 cents:

When I were younger I had a friend that were asked to take over the drug dealing in my home area after the previous top dog got caught and put into jail. He also had a ton of stories of how people even in the top got a lot of visits from people that either were trying to take over the area and also stories how they needed to protect their "business". (Which meant going over to people with baseball bats)
And this is in Sweden where guns aren't so common.

So if you would like a high risk job with relative low income vs. risk then drug dealing might be something for you. (You also need a good contact network so you have a lot of people you know that you can trust. There is constantly a ton of backstabing in this environement)

BTW - I'm still very glad that I left that "community". There is so much stupidity among these groups of people and there is so much s*it going on all the time.

fwiw it is nothing like that here in america in most places. There is an overabundance of drugs, and usually not enough people to deal, the only people shooting eachother are young gang bangers, and it is rarely even over drugs. If you are young and ******ed, and have no experience, yes, you go over to "peoples houses with baseball bats" lol...but 90% of dealers are not violent in the traditional sense, and go out of thier way to avoid confrontation.
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05-27-2010 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Lewkiz
So if you would like a high risk job with relative low income vs. risk then drug dealing might be something for you.
If you're making low income while selling drugs you are doing it wrong. I would agree with the high risk though.
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05-27-2010 , 11:45 AM
I had 3 buddies involved in international coke smuggling with varying results.

The first guy brought back 90 kilos at a great pay rate and never got caught. He made a boatload of money and is still spending it to this day because he didn't act like a total fool with it. He is in his 30's now with a good job but was maybe 19 then.

The second guy got offered a free trip to the Caribbean if he brought back 1 kilo. ****ty deal. His partners said they would take care of him if he got arrested. When the airport police arrested him they were nowhere to be found. He was also surprised to find out that they had hidden 3 kilos in his bag, not the 1 that was agreed upon. He was released from prison last year.

The third guy had the worst experience. He was 17 at the time he agreed to do this (35 now). His bad luck started with getting caught down in the Caribbean, rather than here. He spent a few years in a Caribbean jail before being released. From the sounds of it you'd rather do 10 years here than one down there.
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05-27-2010 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by CapitalRisk
From that article:

"Hunt's house was one of the sites under surveillance. When police spotted a U-Haul, they decided to strike, seizing guns, cash, marijuana and computers. [Detective] Morgan spent the rest of his summer turning informants and building a case against the crew. In November, his department, working in conjunction with the FBI, made fourteen arrests, including Scuzz, Topher, Hunt, Rhett Mayer and Buffy. The crew was accused of moving at least seven tons of B.C. Bud, worth $38 million."
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05-27-2010 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by guids
ya def, they werent just smuggling, smuggling/selling seems to be being used interchangeably in this thread so i just went along lol. smuggling is always just a flat fee, and for weed, I cant imagine getting more than 1 or 2k per run. Apparently, from that article, they did actually walk carry the weed 7 miles, which is ******ed.
yea its so ******ed that they made 38M doing it
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05-27-2010 , 02:02 PM
carrying 25lbs for 7miles is doable but extremely taxing. an average soldier carries at least 50lbs on their back but they are trained to do so. these are just average kids. but weed isnt dense so carrying 25lbs of weed on your back would take up a lot of volume making it extremely cumbersome. its like carrying two full garbage bags on your back.
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05-27-2010 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RudeboyOi
carrying 25lbs for 7miles is doable but extremely taxing. an average soldier carries at least 50lbs on their back but they are trained to do so. these are just average kids. but weed isnt dense so carrying 25lbs of weed on your back would take up a lot of volume making it extremely cumbersome. its like carrying two full garbage bags on your back.
I backpacked through the Rocky Mountains for 2 weeks and carried over 50lbs in my backpack to start (the weight obv got lower as I consumed food I was packing). 50 lbs is not a big deal for someone in decent condition.
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05-27-2010 , 02:12 PM
Read the post directly above yours. Walking through the uncut bush with something the size of 5 duffel bags is going to be difficult and awkward as well as being heavy.

Last edited by Bumbaclat; 05-27-2010 at 02:22 PM.
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05-27-2010 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tubasteve
yea its so ******ed that they made 38M doing it
They carried 38M in weed*, not kept as profit. Do you understand the difference between revenue and profit? They would have kept a fraction of that money for themselves**.


*It's probably 38M by police math. If the police valued it at 38m then it was worth probably 15M
**still a sick amount of money.
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05-27-2010 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bumbaclat
They carried 38M in weed*, not kept as profit. Do you understand the difference between revenue and profit? They would have kept a fraction of that money for themselves**.


*It's probably 38M by police math. If the police valued it at 38m then it was worth probably 15M
**still a sick amount of money.
lol i understand but i thought claims ITT were that the 38 mil was profit, if i misread then i misread.

and even if it was just revenue...how much overhead could these guys really have? they walked it across the border. i guess you're saying that since 38m was street value they made much less as wholesalers? i don't really know where these figures come from so its a bit ambiguous.
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05-27-2010 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tubasteve
lol i understand but i thought claims ITT were that the 38 mil was profit, if i misread then i misread.

and even if it was just revenue...how much overhead could these guys really have? they walked it across the border. i guess you're saying that since 38m was street value they made much less as wholesalers? i don't really know where these figures come from so its a bit ambiguous.
I also took the numbers for what they were worth, but he is right, cop value is way off usually and is for street level pricing..ie someone has a lb of weed at a street value of 4500$, but in reality the brick cost them 3500$ due to bulk, and I didnt read the article closely, so it may have said that they walked 38 mill worth through @ cop value, and not actually profited that much.


and as for your other statement....yes it is very ******ed. even ******ed people can luck box into something big like this...I know more than one mouth breathing millionaires. and it would have been a lot smarter to use an ATV
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05-27-2010 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Bumbaclat
Read the post directly above yours. Walking through the uncut bush with something the size of 5 duffel bags is going to be difficult and awkward as well as being heavy.
We're not talking about styrofoam here, 50lbs of pot is not very large.

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05-27-2010 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by guids
but he is right, cop value is way off usually and is for street level pricing..ie someone has a lb of weed at a street value of 4500$, but in reality the brick cost them 3500$ due to bulk, and I didnt read the article closely, so it may have said that they walked 38 mill worth through @ cop value, and not actually profited that much.
"cop value" aka "street value" is generally for small quantities sold on the street, multiplied to get the total weight. IOW it's a total joke used for shock value.

just because a strip club sells beers for $8 each doesn't mean a keg of beer is worth over a thousand dollars
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05-27-2010 , 03:53 PM
I'll take a shot at breaking down what these kids actually pocketed out of that "38 million".

Police value of weed is $20 a gram straight up the line.
That means 1.9M grams of weed were transported.
1.9M grams = 4,241 pounds of weed
Post 9-11 security is tight. Truckers get paid $1000 per pound to take it across the border. We will assume the same for these weed hikers.
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$4,241,071 cash in hand.
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05-27-2010 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by bingobars
Yea I see where your coming from, I really just meant that for the monies involved and the profits to be made these guys only justify it by have huge balls, sometimes being ruthless and taking massive risks with their futures. (Not by having great or exceptional business skillz)


I love how he thinks that if he keeps saying he completed a 10 year sentence that somehow makes everything cool and makes him totally desirable by an employer. that's a great find
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05-27-2010 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bumbaclat
I'll take a shot at breaking down what these kids actually pocketed out of that "38 million".

Police value of weed is $20 a gram straight up the line.
That means 1.9M grams of weed were transported.
1.9M grams = 4,241 pounds of weed
Post 9-11 security is tight. Truckers get paid $1000 per pound to take it across the border. We will assume the same for these weed hikers.
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$4,241,071 cash in hand.
the quote itt said 7 tons which is at least 14000 pounds (depends on what definition of ton they're using), not 4200 pounds
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05-27-2010 , 06:49 PM
in holland its quite lucrative to get germans to go to holland and pick up weed. its basicly plantations->growshop (which is like allowed, and law enforcement close an eye when they buy off plantations)-> coffeeshop. So if you know some guys from a growshop you can buy 1kg for like 3-4keuros, and sell it for 5-6k euros to those germans. which is dutch coffeshop price. In germany it costs more then double. And the risk is extremly low, because its good business for both parties, and if you get caught you do little time. Running plantations here is even more lucrative, if you get caught you just get a ***** fine (only after like 4 times you might have to do times). Dealing hardrugs is just stupid.

The only problem is that you have to deal with more crazy people (or they find out about you trafficing for lots of money) the more you traffic.

wow at weed prices in US btw, like 4x as much as here . And we have extremly high quality weed for that price.

btw dealing the stuff is just super ******ed, you gotta be higher up the chain, way better risk/value

its funny when you go to these growshops you see regular guys bringing down 1 harvest like 20-40k worth of weed. And if you see them on the street you would NOT expect them to grow weed.

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06-09-2010 , 10:48 PM
Doing a bump in the drug smuggling thread

oh, teh irony!

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06-09-2010 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JesusEatsCheese
Have you seen the documentory Cocaine Cowboys? If not you should watch it
Very few tips in that movie.

If you are serious about this OP, the best thing you can do is join a law enforcement agency. Particularly the DEA.
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06-10-2010 , 02:50 AM
everybody wants to kingpin but they cant kill like what happens in real life
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06-10-2010 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jtown1010
Yeah but you don't get all of that just for walking it a few miles, I guess 20 people could probably do it now that I think about it (given free weed), but to make 40 megas just for walking it across borders you might have to carry a billion dollars in weed.

They don't sell that **** $20/gram.

You'd need to carry tons and tons to make that much if you were growing, if these guys were just mules that's probably not possible.

You can't really do bi-monthly runs, unless you have a massive indoor operation.
you mean like this one. http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Mas....html?tab=PHOT Of course there are always more operations that haven't been found yet
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02-09-2011 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by RoundTower
you should read Mr Nice, the autobiography of British cannabis smuggler Howard Marks. It's a fascinating read.
i read the book. it has some great parts, the start especially, but there's a lot of dryness to it as well.

has anyone seen the movie?
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