Thanks, I'll try. It definitely is mania, and even psychosis, but as I said in my last post, the reason I can stay awake that long isn't really the manic episode but what I'm putting in my body as I mentioned in my last post, specifically the OD'ing on caffeine and pounding at least some of one of the really strong, tweaky products every few hours.

This is only time when smoking meth would have been a more optimal route.

I'm curious, do you desire to stay awake for such long periods, or are you just such a fiend for energy drinks, etc, and sleeplessness is the side effect?

from experience with such states, 'thoughts' become extra important and carry an addictive quality.

That's pretty interesting, Tuma. So you're saying that the drive to expound on certain thoughts keeps you awake, or that you try to stay awake in order to study said thoughts?

Sounds like some Einstein/scientist stuff, like needing to cement your extrapolating ideas and formulations before sleeping.

Altered thoughts are what I'm in it for.

Maybe I oughta try and stay awake a couple days. Only thing is being sleepy feels awful to me.

I've always said that not sleeping is the most intense drug ever. Pulled some weird, wired weeks back in college. Thing is, while crazy intense, it's not all that fun. YMMV.

i'd guess most can relate to getting second winds. it's more the system is firing harder than thinking is extra special - even if it is...sleep just gets lost in the fold...lying down in the dark becomes a non pleasant idea. time dilation is in play also and can be significant.

in terms of drive to stay awake, i've never considered it to be a purposeful idea, and can readily tell there are compounding mental deficits. sense of responsibility in essence becomes collapsible.

That’s pretty wild, thanks for unpacking.

Combination of having so much fun being awake and being scared to sleep. I can always just stop OD'ing on energy stuff for a couple hours and take my Zyprexa and pass out, it's a conscious choice not to.

Why scared of sleep? When I was locked up in the Max Security Facility I started having a recurring dream that I'm being choked and can't wake up, as well as the fact my dreams are often disorienting/unpleasant these days, stuff like being back in school, and I tend to have trouble waking up and wake up lethargic and depressed.

Agree completely.

The wildest was when I accidentally bought some Chonga on the street in Austin TX while on a poker stake to play in private games there in March 2019 and started drinking Bang Energy Drink instead of sleeping (I asked for "Northern Lights" "GDP" "Something to sleep" and got some weird mostly budless stringy light green substance that was oderless, made my throat super raw, and got me super blitzed and opened my third eye like crazy and got me talking to myself uncontrollably in my hotel room all night for 3+ nights for the first time in 2 years)

The end-result would likely be very similar, but I can't imagine with the illegality and the way it messes with your lungs and teeth it'd be a better route to go.

As a guy (you) who committed hardcore to being the "party/drug/concert guy" in this thread a few years ago, it's a must.

Advice: Mix with good mellow sativa dominant weed like Haze, Trainwreck, Sour, Lemon Skunk, but not edibles, alcohol, or anything hallucinogenic. Energy drinks and tea and cola to stay awake, not coffee or anything snorted. Taurine drinks like Monster and Redbull are less than ideal because the taurine makes you crash. Unsure about adderrall, but if you do it, take it by tablet cause I had an awful experience in college snorting it. Tobacco/nicotine is your friend. Make sure to eat as healthy as possible and stick to meal times and your regular hygiene routine. Do not make any big decisions or have any important conversations after you get past 30 hours and especially not 40 hours. You will lose your grip on reality (in my experience) if you go past 40 hours.

Caffeine doesn't really have a stimulating effect on me. I recall my pediatrician telling my mom that if we were without my Ritalin (i took it from 6 or 7 until I was 14) to give me a Jolt cola instead.

Being sleepy (and not being in a place to sleep) is awful. Makes me not care, and difficult to enjoy anything. For example, if I'm chasing a video poker royal, at some point I'm exhausted and no longer care whether I stroke it or continue to bleed cash. I'm seriously ****ing done for after 16 hours these days. I do enjoy the delirium, but at this point it seems like it has been a long time since I've got to that stage.

In regards to tobacco/nicotine, still never have, likely never will.

Drink a lot of bang energy drinks and 5hr energys intermittently but at least every 3 hrs and no indica weed or dabs/concentrates/edibles or binge eating wheat, beef, and dairy foods and report back.

Nicotine is a great drug, especially combined with others, you're missing out. Definitely helps keep you awake.

Try a vape or the lozenges/gum?

Also: cocaine, addy, or crystal meth

1,2,getting hit by a bus,3.

I don't understand the appeal of uppers.

That much more so if you're already someone prone to mania too, it's like artificial sugar on top of organic sugar. You stretch yourself way too thin, get some sleep and contact the spirit world through less harmful means. During sleep for example.

I've made myself develop a much healthier routine once I begat myokymia (eyelid muscle spasms) from lack of sleep. Went away pretty soon.

Get energetic, euphoric, productive, sense of well-being, and be wide awake when you'd otherwise be very tired and lazy and bored? Speedball with depressants like alcohol, benzos, and opiates while partying and relaxing so you're not drowsy and sloppy?

That said...drugs are bad, mmmmmkay. Stick to just some nice mellow cannabis and green tea and drinking among a Christian fellowship in moderation, if you ask me.

"There is some profit to be had in intoxication and gambling, but there is more loss than profit" -The Quran

Agreed. I've never tried crystal meth, but I don't think it's too much different than addy other than the consumption methods are more unhealthy for your body. Adderrall is methamphetamine too, after all.

Ya a Dr. I listen to on the regular who is a drug expert and he says chemically addy's and meth are basically the same drug.

Funny thing is in a convo with a comedian if you are to do a drug only once... out of coke, heroin and meth, meth is one he recommended for that one time drug experience. Coke can do an insta heart attack for middle aged+ people, heroin has ODs, meth is the least harmful if you're only doing it once funny enough. I always thought the opposite, seemed like such a sketchy/dirty drug.

I'm assuming that excludes crank and other piss poor quality levels of that drug but I don't know enough.

i remember being up 10am friday getting outta work at 10pm driving 2 hours to wheeling island casino losing all my money around 10pm saturday and driving home with no sleep for 36 hours. easily one of my scariest driving experiences and ive drove ****ing wasted alot when i was early 20s

60 mg over 2 hours is the most addersll ive done and i was up for about 24 hours. ive never done meth but had a buddy who loved coke try meth once cuz he was curious. was given .1 for free from a friends boyfriend and he wasnt able to sleep for 2 1/2 days. so while they prob are the same meth is going to be much more intense. like doing a dab vs smoking a bowl