I don't know if you can dismiss the cave paintings in France and Australia because the artist was being creative. It's not like they were into impressionist interpretation back then; they were mostly only drawing things like bison, people, trees, and in some instances.... aliens and UFOS.

I was way more into this type of topic when I was a teenager, but I don't think we have fully explained how the pyramids were constructed. I understand the whole slave labor population that helped things along, but it's the complication involved in the building of the thing in the first place. If one takes a closer look at the complexity of the pyramids, it will blow your mind.

Hold on. Aren't you the one that believes the earth is flat?

Please tell me that was a level all along.

Asking if it was a level, must be a level?

So by saying this you have full knowledge of not only all the dimensions in the universe but apparently have a full understand of the exact age of the entire universe, I assume you also know the size of the universe and what fills the space, and the parallel's of time throughout the universe...........just trying to point out how ignorant this sentence is.

If people with imaginative minds can come up with the idea of aliens today, people thousands of years ago also could.

You be the judge

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I believe in the improbability of us being the only living beings in the Universe. As for UFOs, I've never seen one and I find it kind of unlikely. My theory, that I came up with one night after having smoked way too much and then watched Star Wars, is that things like that are really going on in the Universe, those in charge have just decided that as a planet we are just way too ******ed to be let in on the secret of interstellar travel and whatnot.

Monteroy exactly would you consider verifiable evidence of the existence of UFOs? It seems like every piece of current data (eye-witnesses, videos, photos, governmental reports, etc.) is easily cast aside, by you, as not being sufficient.

Would you need to actually interview an alien? Would you just assume it was someone in a suit? What if they flew you to their home planet? Would you just assume it was all an elaborate set?

Ok. What exactly is your point? and why is having an opinion based on assumptions/lack of major pieces of information/a little bit of logic, ignorant?

DNA tests that can be verified as to being completely alien would be an example. An autopsy of an alien that is on film that cannot be verified in terms of where and how it was made does not count.

If they find ice on Mars and in that ice are examples of very primitive forms of life frozen in time that would count, and would easily be the leading story of all networks even with that life being long dead and primitive. A guy saying aliens put him on a slab of ice to experiment does not count.

An alien message from space that can be verified as coming from space (use the movie Contact as a guide) would count. Grainy videos of tiny lights in the sky do not.

I appreciate your attempting to use massive exaggeration (ie: do I need to be flown to a planet by aliens), but proof can be had in many ways. Thus far all the proof has been speculation, wild theories, and unverifiable second hand testimonies.

Look at the whole area of people who believe that mind over matter exists or that they can see the future or predict events. Do I need them to predict all the lottery numbers to prove it? No, simply predicting the order of a randomly shuffled deck in a controlled environment will suffice. No one has passed this simple test yet many believe people have the ability, that is a common trait in the human condition with UFOs being an offshoot of the same principle.

i want to believe cuz its pretty sweet to have weird alien dudes flying around around watching us.

No the final conclusion of the 1997 mexico city flap was unexplainable, and it was tested every way to sunday.

True, but mostly because there is little inclination to start creating that evidence. Now that you've challenged us, I will get to work. Exhibit A:

I saw some of these invisible termites in my backyard yesterday.

Thats pretty crappy evidence but it is certainly evidence.

Why pretend to be agnostic when you are just going to dismiss everyone who disagrees with you as uneducated?

The evidence is very terrible and very flimsy, and worse yet, extremely predictable and explainable with a 5-minute sociology primer.

Also, to the people who say "The universe is so big so its likely that there is life out there," can you explain why this is a logical statement? Seems completely irrational to me. Can I replace "life" with literally any concept imaginable and still have it be true?

aliens of course...it would be foolish to believe otherwise. UFO's...lol.

unless they found a way to travel at thousands of times lightspeed, which i assume wouldnt be all taht difficult if you found a way to travel faster than light in the first place, they wouldnt come here to fly around for a few minutes and leave.

They would own our ****.

My idiot roommate believes in both UFOs and "the truth about 9/11." I figure both are just projections of his own desires.

UFOs: The moral and political order of our world is not only arbitrary but merely a stage on the way to a higher, more advanced, more rational order. Which, of course, the aliens possess and are trying to teach us. Through Dennis Kucinich.

9/11 Conspiracy: There is no other. There are no evil forces who wish to destroy us just for being other than them. Thus all evil is within.

I think beliefs like these are just projections and thus it is more interesting in productive to explore the motives for these beliefs than to entertain the crazies on all their "facts" and "evidence."

very profound but you ruin it with your accusations of 'idiot' and 'crazies'

I can verify that he saw those invisible termites, so we have corroboration as well. All we need now is a youtube video with some really bad 90s style music.

I saw invisible termites too.

This thread is one big sigh, let's just agree to disagree and move on and lock this thread.

Thread was doomed from the title. Do I believe in UFOs? Do you believe in undiagnosed medical conditions? Do you believe in undiscovered species?

Obviously being facetious, as I know he means 'do I believe in alien spacecraft?' Using 'belief' in the question is so horrible. Something in the scientific realm doesn't require 'belief'.

Carry on...

I just read the "How intelligent are you" thread, where everyone is going on about how smart they are and how OOT is the smartest forum on the internet... and then I read this thread...

lol...

actually this thread has been one of the best discussions in OOT ive ever seen. except for the occasional name calling its been civil and informative, a pleasant change of pace.

your just too sharp to sneak one by. next time ill name it "do you have scientific fact supporting the existance of extraterrestrial existance" so as not to offend such an educated individual as yourself. ya that title should spark a lot of interesting discussion.