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12-02-2014 , 11:58 PM

#526

Gonzirra

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I do like the wild look of the lightsaber at least.

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12-03-2014 , 12:47 AM

#527

Fossilkid93

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Maybe they'll understand in 2 weeks when they reach Colbert's duration of fandom.

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12-03-2014 , 06:40 AM

#528

The Detonator

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Originally Posted by Shuffle

Are you saying he's an undercover brotha?

thats exactly what im saying

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12-03-2014 , 09:26 AM

#529

champstark

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The Colbert bit was incredible, he is awesome.

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12-03-2014 , 01:37 PM

#530

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Originally Posted by Gonzirra

The black stormtrooper rage is absurd for so many reasons.

I thought this was really interesting:
http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/12/...xternal,manual

It starts off talking about the absurd rage, but what I found really interesting was the Stormtrooper History 101. From the article:

See, clone troopers were used until the end of the Clone Wars, when they were phased out by the Empire in favor of citizen recruits. The reason for this was because clone troopers had accelerated lifespans, which rendered them pretty useless after a year or two on the battlefield.

So that's pretty cool - like many other people I just thought that the storm troopers were all clones. But what really blew my mind was this:
More canon proof can be found near the beginning of A New Hope, when Luke Skywalker himself complains about not being able to follow his friends into the Imperial Academy, where recruits are trained to be Stormtroopers in hopes of moving up through the ranks of the Empire. See, to a civilian, the Empire was just the government's military at that time. You enrolled in the "army" to see the stars, travel, and defend innocent people - at least, that's what it looked like on the outside.

Like, holy ****, Luke wanted to go train to be a Stormtrooper? I thought I was a fan of Star Wars (a minor fan - I've never read/seen anything outside the movies), but I had no idea this was true.

Anyway, really looking forward to episode VII.

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12-03-2014 , 03:14 PM

#531

SenorKeeed

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Phasing out clones absolutely makes sense. You don't have to spend the resources to raise them from 0-18 if you recruit from the general population.

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12-03-2014 , 03:33 PM

#532

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Originally Posted by Shuffle

Pretty much art imitating real life.

But phasing out the clones thing doesn't make any sense. There were lots of non storm trooper officers and soldiers in the originals. Surely Captain / Admiral Piett and guys like that had to go to an academy of some kind.

Just more EU garbage and nonsense.

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12-03-2014 , 03:35 PM

#533

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Originally Posted by Shuffle

No, it doesn't make sense for a myriad of reasons. No government would eliminate a loyal automated fighting force in favor of humans. If they needed to make cutbacks in defense spending, they would just reduce the standing force of clone soldiers.

But I guess it sounds cooler to talk about accelerated lifespans and whatever instead of bureaucratic policymaking.

wat? The clones are humans. They aren't automated.

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12-03-2014 , 04:11 PM

#534

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Here is a bunch of EU content mostly from one of the Battlefront games explaining why cloning stopped or was phased out:

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When the Clone Wars came to an end, the Galactic Empire secured the vital cloning facilities of Kamino in order to ensure the continued production of cloned stormtroopers.[48] However, the Kaminoans resented the military occupation of their homeworld, which was ironically conducted by their own creations. As a result, a covert rebellion was formed as several clone masters plotted to liberate Kamino from Imperial control.[22] But even before the Republic's reorganization into the Empire, Prime Minister Lama Su reserved a portion of the clone troopers from the overall army that the Kaminoans engineered for the Republic. He later reflected on this decision near the end of the Clone Wars as relations between Coruscant and Kamino became strained.

The preserved DNA samples of the Fett template provided the Kaminoan rebels with the means to forge a new army of clone troopers based on Jango Fett's genetic structure. Unlike their previous creations, however, the new generation of clones would be programmed with absolute loyalty to Kamino. After roughly a decade of operating in secret, the rebel clone army grew to full adulthood through the technology of accelerated growth. The majority was trained as anti-troopers; clone soldiers trained as jet troopers, armed with the DC-15A blaster rifle and the DC-15x sniper rifle, and equipped with Phase I armor. A new breed of Advanced Recon Commandos was created as a smaller, more elite force to complement the anti-troopers. These ARC troopers possessed the same armor as their predecessors and were armed with Z-6 rotary blaster cannons.[22]

At the same time, however, the Galactic Empire discovered the clandestine project and immediately reacted with force. The elite stormtroopers of the 501st Legion was dispatched to Kamino with orders to fully subjugate their own homeworld. Boba Fett, a bounty hunter and clone of Jango Fett, was hired by the Empire to serve as the 501st's mission commander, mainly because of his knowledge of Kamino's cloning facilities. But in order to defeat the Kaminoan resistance with a decisive victory, the 501st Legion was commanded to annihilate their entire brethren of rebel clones.[22]

Upon their arrival at Kamino, Boba Fett and the stormtroopers of the 501st Legion stormed Tipoca City in a direct assault on the planet's primary cloning facility. Despite the fierce resistance of the anti-troopers, the Imperials breached the facility's outer defenses and retrieved a sample of Jango Fett's DNA. Meanwhile, the fighting intensified on Tipoca City's platforms as Fett clones from both sides killed each other. As the Imperials steadily took more ground on the platforms, a new objective directed their efforts toward the destruction of the incomplete rebel clones. Though initially deterred by a force of ARC troopers, the Imperials infiltrated the cloning labs, destroyed the clone tanks' life support systems and killed their "brothers" who were still in the process of development. Without reserve stocks to provide additional troopers to the rebel army, the clones attempted to evacuate their Kaminoan masters on two LAAT/i gunships. Both vessels were ultimately destroyed, and with the deaths of the last remaining rebel clone troopers, the Kaminoan resistance collapsed as the Empire claimed victory over Kamino.[22]

The incident of the Clone Rebellion on Kamino was regarded by the Galactic Empire as highly confidential; the information was classified and kept out of the public's knowledge. Though the 501st Legion proved its unwavering loyalty once again, even to the extent of killing their fellow Fett clones, Emperor Palpatine decided to reconsider his reliance on an entire army cloned from just one source.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Clone...loning_program

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12-03-2014 , 04:15 PM

#535

CCuster_911

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

wat? The clones are humans. They aren't automated.

I think in this case automated means mass producible, not robotic.

Although one could easily argue that clones are robots that are just very very intricate.

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12-03-2014 , 04:26 PM

#536

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Originally Posted by spidercrab

What?? Luke did not want to go to the IMPERIAL academy. He hated the Empire. It was the rebels he wanted to join. That would be like in the US civil war, a southern confederate wanting to join the Union army.

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12-03-2014 , 04:33 PM

#537

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Originally Posted by Shuffle

That reads like all the other EU bull****, like some high school kid wrote it up in his math class the day after he saw some fantasy flick he fell in love with.

Since this is a wiki pieced together from a bunch of different sources, that could very literally be the case.

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12-03-2014 , 04:36 PM

#538

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Originally Posted by Wubbie075

This is wrong.

From actual wikipedia:

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He initially wants to join the Imperial Academy to become a pilot with his childhood friend Biggs Darklighter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Skywalker

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Biggs had a larger role in earlier drafts of the script for the movie and several of the additional scenes appeared in the novelization. His additional scenes include a conversation with Luke on Tatooine where Biggs tells Luke of his secret desire to join the Rebel Alliance despite his training at the Imperial Academy. This scene was deleted from A New Hope, but the book Inside the Worlds of the Star Wars Trilogy depicts the missing scene at Tosche Station.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_S...gs_Darklighter

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12-03-2014 , 04:59 PM

#539

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Originally Posted by Wubbie075

Look, I'm just a guy who enjoys the movies and have never done a deep dive into the other stuff. And I thought exactly what you had said - that Luke and his friends had always wanted to fight the Empire. But that quote from the story I linked to seems to have some support among the geekery:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luke_Skywalker

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Skywalker cultivated a group of like-minded friends on Tatooine, amongst whom he earned the nickname "Wormie." The group included Deak, Windy, Camie Loneozner and Fixer, whose horizons did not extend much past Tatooine itself; and "Tank" and Biggs Darklighter, who shared Skywalker's dreams of joining the Imperial Academy and becoming pilots.

And the Imperial Academy referenced seems very clearly to be the Empire:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Academy

As I said, this was a completely new idea to me that ran counter to what I previously thought.

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12-03-2014 , 08:36 PM

#540

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The deleted Biggs scene is here:

http://io9.com/star-wars-deleted-sce...hat-1663817712

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12-04-2014 , 10:16 AM

#541

lumberajack

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http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014...-abrams-disney

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12-04-2014 , 02:18 PM

#542

Wubbie075

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I distinctly recall Luke telling Ben he hated the empire (before his parents even got torched). I'll have to load up the dvd tonight.

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12-04-2014 , 07:24 PM

#543

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Originally Posted by Wubbie075

I distinctly recall Luke telling Ben he hated the empire (before his parents even got torched). I'll have to load up the dvd tonight.

You can hate the empire and still want to take advantage of their pilot training program.

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12-04-2014 , 07:25 PM

#544

Fossilkid93

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Hopefully they revive the nickname Wormy for Luke in Episode VII

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12-04-2014 , 08:18 PM

#545

SenorKeeed

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Man there is just an absolutely killer Adam Driver/Lena Dunham Star Wars SNL skit somewhere

"Darth Todd, I can see you LOOKING at me, but you're obviously not HEARING me right now. I know you have a lot going on with your internship right now -- "

"It's an apprenticeship"

"Whatever...I just kind of need to know where we stand personally. You're sending a lot of mixed messages here and I need to focus on myself"

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12-06-2014 , 09:26 PM

#546

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After reviewing the movie, he says he wants to go to "the Academy". Whether it is imperial or otherwise is never mentioned. I guess I always thought it was a rebel thing. Can't argue with that deleted scene, though.

Seems like a really dumb idea to join the imperial academy for a little training then just say "peace out homies!". It's not like it's university of phoenix or something.

He did explicitly say to obi wan that he does hate the empire like I thought he did.