Qui-Gon Ginny really didn't work. Darth Maul is fine or whatever but he's a non-speaking bad guy that's in the movie for like 4 minutes and we have no reason to hate or fear. The overall plot gets the story where it needs to go (even if that's lol Lucas) but the minute to minute decisions of every single character make no sense. Phantom Menace is just awful but what i meant is it is nowhere near as awful as Attack of the Clones.

I go back and forth on which is worse out of TPM and AOTC. They are both abysmal. Some of the bad stuff in AOTC (the Anakin-Padme scenes) almost rises to the level of cringe comedy. The action scenes are generally better than TPM which, with the exception of the Darth Maul fight scene, is BORING. I think if I was for some reason forced to rewatch one of them it would be AOTC, but that's because AOTC is bad in a schlockier way and TPM just has scene after scene of an annoying kid, Jar Jar Binks, midichlorians, dull CGI robot battles and other stuff that isn't even interesting to hate-watch. I don't think AOTC is a better quality film.

The Phantom menace is what the opening star wars crawl text (or whatever it's called) should be used for.

If we go by the whole "if cut out large amounts of the movie then it's actually a decent movie" criteria used earlier in this thread, then attack of the clones is actually not completely horrible.

I've always considered Phantom to be at least a solid tier below Clones, a bit surprised that so many feel differently.

The barter/bet/race part on Tatooine is torturous, and unlike other bad parts of the other films, it goes on for sooo long.

Maybe I need to rewatch them all at some point.

lol no.

Which scenes would you keep? Every single one is fooking awful. There's zero to redeem that movie.

All the love scenes stay obviously. 50s diner alien weapon expert was awesome. Keeping Jar Jar's cameo obviously.

The assassination attempt and subsequent speeder chase scene is OK. The entire sequence where Obi-Wan goes to Kamino is good. The scene on that factory assembly line thing isn't terrible. You could cut the action down to something watchable, if cartoonish. If you cut everything out of TPM that is excruciatingly dull to watch, you'd be left with the Darth Maul scene only. The big action setpieces are the lol podracing and the battle on Naboo that nobody cares about, is entirely CGI robots, and is won by... accidentally remotely powering down their army? It doesn't even make sense.

Phantom was worse because of the long buildup. I can remember walking out being so disappointed and thinking Jar Jar was worse than a tribe of ewoks.

Was ready for AOTC to suck.

Doubt anyone here is old enough to remember the first Star Trek movie when it played in theaters. "After all these years, that piece of **** was the best they could do?"

Of course Khan totally redeemed that franchise.

Its a shame it happened with this Movie tho as it is one of the better ones, has probably the least Disney in it etc, but corporate are going to assume the audience does not want want is good about Solo.

I feel that aotc is far better than menace, but that's not saying much; phantom menace is among the worst movies ever made imo.

When you combine the horrible publicity this movie has gotten over the last year, with the worst star wars movie to ever come out being released just six months ago, it is hardly surprising that there is some reluctance to spend $13 a ticket to watch this one. This movie may very well be decent, but I am not going to take that chance again.

Ended up watching the whole thing, this guy nerd rages really well.


Re AOTC: Might be due to my age at the time but the yoda fight was the best piece of fanservice I'll probably ever experience.

I remember liking the Yoda fight when I saw the film for the first time, but it is fanservicey as hell and falls flat for me on rewatch. I can understand both liking it and hating it.

All 3 of those scenes are terrible and what i was imagining you would want to cut (along with the bug fight in the arena and the huge, terrible Jedi battle). That would leave us with the literal WOAT love story, Anakin slaughtering sand people, and the Yoda fight.

Personally i think the Yoda fight is the best part of the movie.

Wow, I had mentioned earlier in this thread that, after seeing TPM in the theatre, I never bothered watching eps 2 and 3, so the above video is a fresh watch for me. I've just paused at 49 seconds (probably won't continue after that) and I'm baffled at how late 90s - early 2000s CGI makes this scene look way worse than any of the special effects of the OT. And it's not like they weren't capable at the time to make FX that at least somewhat stand the test of time. Terminator 2, Matrix, etc.

Yeah, when I rewatched the prequels (with an ex who had never seen Star Wars) a few years back I was shocked by how bad the CGI looked. It never looked good, but it hasn't aged well and looks like a cutscene from a computer game. Jurassic Park looks much better and that came out 6 years before TPM. Big jump going from doing dinosaurs in a few shadowy scenes to trying to do an entire movie with a lot of well-lit scenes.

I haven't seen Solo yet but these are my exact rankings re: the other 9. I still can't believe how many people purport to have liked The Last Jedi. It was easily the worst movie I've seen at the theater in years, if not a decade. Absolute trash.

This is crazy. Phantom Menace was much better than Attack of the Clones.

You ****ers are gonna make me watch AOTC again at some point just so I can confirm my damn rankings now. Haven't seen that or RoTS since they came out (did watch Episode I again at one point because my kids who had seen the OT were curious about "what was so bad" about the prequels, watched TPM with them and they were like "oh, ok").

The problem isn't SW7 imo, it is the process that followed it. It's the difference between Breaking Bad and Lost. Neither show had any overarching plan for resolving things or any idea how to get out of corners they wrote themselves into. But Breaking Bad had a secret weapon: trying. Trying to resolve the problems the plot presented with actions from characters that made sense for the characters and the situations the characters found themselves in. For their little show worth, what, 100 million bucks (and ~zero dollars initially) they had like ten folks whose full time job was to think about the show and tell the guys pretending to be the characters what to do and say. But Disney, with a franchise they bought for 5 billion had a guy who is notorious for setting up unresolved expectations make the first movie and then hand the franchise off to Literally Some Guy and were all hey bro do whatever, I'm sure it will be fine. Oh you want to explicitly troll Star Wars fans? lol sure, whatever. It's totally insane.

SK wins the thread.

Its impossible for Phantom Menace to be much better than anything.

Phantom Menace is the clear worst of the prequels imo, but who gives a flying **** they are all utter utter dog ****.

Full list of SW movies TPM is much better than: Attack of the Clones, The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi

Like apparently most here I thought Solo was a lot of fun. My nine year-old son LOVED it, thinks it's his favorite Star Wars movie (recency bias tho). Surprised to see so little nitting it up here.

Perhaps this has already been reported someplace, but will there be another Solo movie? Seems like they left room for that.

With no expectations, I liked Solo, but would rank it behind Rogue One and probably would have no feeling about it one way or the other if it was some random movie with random characters outside this world.

Glover killed it as Lando and I'll like it just for the fact it gave me that much Chewbacca.

I'm always going to nit about someone other than Ford playing Solo and the kid wasn't bad, but don't feel they did a good job capturing the demeanor (not necessarily his fault). He was too cheery and optimistic. OT Han had his moments, but surly and sarcastic was part of his charm.