It’s a good point about unintended consequences. Especially if you’re mandating not just two does but a third, then continuous dosing to keep your job.

psh. you and your facts

Are there any active governors that have taken an explicit anti-vax position on these COVID vaccines? I figured my best bet might be Kristi Noem, but it looks like she also indicated that she favored this vaccine. I know I've seen a clip of DeSantis pushing in favor of it.

It's still a bit grey, because it does seem like a number of them have quietly taken a pro-vax position and then more loudly tried to generate press by railing against masks and railing against vaccine mandates. It's easy to see how some create the impression that they're anti-vax even if they've taken an explicit position to the contrary. Obviously it's possible to have stated a position and then to undercut it thoroughly enough that overall messaging ends up being unproductive or even counterproductive.

Maybe I’m missing someone, but I feel like the only major elected official who has been appropriately pro-vax is Bill deBlasio.

Handing them out for free? Man, such a badass name for an injection. Even without covid I'd be tempted to get one. Maybe it will grow my hair back or something.
Worth a shot!

I’m trying to put the 430 pediatric Covid deaths in perspective so I did some googling. 38 kids die a year in hot car, so more than that. 2,300 kids die of sudden infant death syndrome so much less than that.

Another resource has the yearly shaken baby deaths at 1400. So the number of kids who died of Covid is about the same as the number of kids who were shaken to death over the same period. Have we been struggling through a pandemic of shaken babies these last years? Have we issued all kids helmets?

The kids are fine. We’ve known they’re fine for a while. pocket_zeros posted current data that shows delta has not surged pediatric Covid hospitalizations. Be honest that putting a 6 year old in a mask is about protecting the teacher and their parents, not the kid. No one is killing kids outlawing masks in schools. They may be killing teachers and parents.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w

The idea Covid deniers pushed that healthy people have no risk, that Covid just pushes very unhealthy people over the edge and they would have died anyway is disgusting. It’s probably also true for a lot of kids who died of Covid.

If these kids are getting long Covid and all sorts of bad outcomes short of death id like to hear about it.

sigh

Your body recognizes the protein as foreign (it wasn't made from your DNA) and makes antibodies to that foreign protein. Your body doing this doesn't mean "your body is getting ****ed up" anymore than you recognizing a piece of music means that your ears are getting ****ed up.

Your body has countless antigens in it every day that your immune system has to recognize and take care of. Think about all the stuff you breathe in every day (pollen is plant sperm, dust contains other people's dead skin cells, particle pollution for tire and brake wear, etc).

The spike protein is chosen because it's something on the surface of the virus. It doesn't do anything on its own. It's just some amino acids stuck together.

You didn't even mention nano trackers so ik you're full of it

Bill seems unfairly hated tbh. I mean I'd expect the far-right to hate him but the guy has been better than (pre-MeToo) national hero Cuomo on Covid.

I feel like all the anti-vaxxers imagine that scene in the Matrix where they suck the tracker out of Neo's belly button. Like there is an evil being swimming around their insides.

oh he's very fairly hated

he just accidentally happens to be on the right side of COVID but is a button clicker on pretty much every other issue

Seems like a pattern

Of all the reasons not to get the shot, "I'm waiting for full FDA approval" has to be the dumbest. Although I suspect they would find some new reason not to take it once approved anyway.

Your suspicion is a lock to be correct.

Yup. Undoubtedly it will only have been approved under extreme political pressure from the Dems, or the Deep State, or the Devil, etc.

One of my sisters and her husband are on this bandwagon. I had quite the argument with him recently, which should result in it being a while before I have to interact with him again. I can't wait to hear what the new reason will be once the FDA takes care of business.

I've been beating on the challenge trial drum for a year. The FDA won't even consider it, AFAICT.

My wife and daughter lost their sense of smell almost entirely for a month. It was quite distressing to both of them. It came back, as it does for the overwhelming majority of people who get COVID. My wife says that there are a few specific things -- for example, a particular brand of perfume -- that smell different to her now. They don't smell awful, just different.

Different is bad.

The best way to get the rest of the U.S. population vaccinated probably would be for Biden to switch course tell everyone NOT to get the vaccine.

Then all these idiots could run around saying, "**** that. The government can't tell me what to do. I'm getting the shot because **** the government."

I'm only joking a little bit.

Antibodies are only an issue when they're involved in an autoimmune response. The vaccines are extremely selective about the antigen/epitope they're designed to target, to prevent the possibility of causing autoimmune issues from our own cells being misidentified as a pathogen.

As for the spike protein, a study did find that a hollowed-out cell structure that has only the full spike protein and not the innards of the virus are actually still harmful to human cells. This is why the vaccines use a neutered version of the protein that doesn't bind to human cells' ACE2 receptors like the actual virus's spike protein does. Also, most of the vaccine and the proteins it triggers the creation of stay near the injection site, where they won't reach the vulnerable cells to do damage even if they could. A study from Pfizer found that some of the nanoparticles may travel and aggregate in other parts of the body but by that time the mRNA contained within them should be completely dismembered.

For those worried about spike proteins from the mRNA vaccines, I would suggest you consider how much worse the spike proteins are from an actual infection, where they can ravage your organs and blood vessels.

Those things are not mutually exclusive. It's the reverse trinity coming for us!

Thanks guys