Illinois governor is expected to extend the stay-at-home order til May 30th and people aren't too pleased.

Well people who are really sick are also non-represented. The numbers I posted were the estimates, not the raw results, so hopefully they did a reasonable job of accounting for the obvious biases.

edit: at least I think those aren't the raw results

edit 2: Now that I've found Cuomo's remarks, it does sound like those were raw results. Oops.

I'm sure I'm guilty of this too, but I don't understand the point of posting stuff like that ^ in this thread specifically.
Sure, some people might be interested in reading it but can we maybe have a separate thread for anecdotal news stories and idiotic / narcissistic / annoying facebook posts and tweets?

All the people? Just a few? Are they upset that is so long or that it's too soon? Do you have any data on this or just a few Facebook rants?

As an overweight 50-year-old like the Dad in the story, I felt it was relevant to my interests. Maybe not everyone else.

But I also think if we're going to allow discussion itt like "these comorbid conditions are all the patients' fault, right?" - maybe putting a human face on the people that some posters are implying are at fault for their own death is a valid counterpoint.

That and if you're really going to push hard for a policy of herd immunity - at least don't turn away from the terrible situations that are going to arise out of it. If herd immunity means 50%-80% infected - that means 500k-800k dead at the absolute low end (.3% IFR). Which means before it's over everyone is going to know a completely devastated family like this, if not be in one.

CIDRAP's Dr. Osterholm's latest podcast "Living with the Virus" is live. Some takeaways:

- The lack of reagent is still being ignored by institutions putting out steps to thoughtfully reopen things. He said "It's hard to get to home when you can't get to first base."

- Contact tracing is a ***** to pull off. It isn't easy. He knows for certain that contact tracing over the phone doesn't work. You need face-to-face interaction between a health department representative and the sick person to increase the chances that the sick person will follow the guidelines.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/...ars/episode-5_

this brings a horrible visual to the earlier rimjob posts

for her sake get back on that treadmill

I loled.

If it is true that more than 20% of the city is already infected, they need to open the city back up for those with the antibodies, as well as other young and healthy people for whom the virus has relatively lower risk.

At that rate of infection and contagion, the lockdown is not going to successfully eradicate the virus except through herd immunity. Given this, a general lockdown just puts vulnerable people at more risk by prolonging the process of herd immunity among the healthy, and will eventually lead to more deaths, not fewer.

Totally agree.

Agree. Ix nay on O fund me GAY.

Any views on masks with an active silver layer?

The basic idea is to upgrade from my current cotton masks to some masks which have 3 layers. Looks like a surgical mask. Two outer layers are "spunbond non-woven textile", inner layer is "non-woven melt-blown textle with active silver ions".

They claim the silver helps the mask self-disinfect and its effectiveness is similar to KN95. You can also reuse it (it should survive 20-50 handwashes at 30 degrees C, but doesn't need to be washed every time).

Is this just pseudo-science or should I upgrade?

They are in the process of putting up an English website at en.ruskoambrela.sk (so they presumably think export restrictions are going to be removed soon).

Looks like nicotine patches might improve the prognosis?

French study: Smokers at lower risk of getting Coronavirus

Quick, buy stock in the tobacco companies before Trump reads about this.

ETA: No idea how legit this is.

Maybe a big ask, but would it be possible to pool a bunch of sources the thread views as reliable and have them in the op?

*** Not Peer-Reviewed ***

(emphasis mine)

Skimming this paper it looks like there's some interesting stuff, but it's pretty dense and it looks like they are using outdated mortality data from the Diamond Princess and questionable assumptions for some of their more ambitious calculations. But the top line conclusion I assume is solid.

Dumdums cure of the day appears to be...*drumroll*..........THE SUN!

What have we here, a 'tard' (bonus points for the politically incorrect term) doctor?

https://time.com/5820556/ventilators-covid-19/

Similar info here: https://web.archive.org/web/20200405...t-91182386efcb

tl/dr: "...mechanical ventilation can help some patients, but doctors are jumping to it too quickly, potentially subjecting patients to unnecessary traumatic treatment when they could use less-invasive respiratory supports like breathing masks and nasal tubes."

"Ventilators are not only the wrong solution, but high pressure intubation can actually wind up causing more damage than without, not to mention complications from tracheal scarring and ulcers given the duration of intubation often required".

To paraphrase the great Ronny Raygun: it's not so much that you are tards, it's just that you know so many thing that aren't so.

It sounds like this paper concludes that (a) regions in Northern Italy had indeed reached herd immunity; and (b) the difference in IFR between young and old people is even greater than initially believed.

Wouldn’t this all point toward recommending a bifurcated herd immunity approach to fighting the virus, where vulnerable people are more strictly quarantined while the healthy population is deliberately infected?

Deaths in PA dropped 12.4% today after a 4% rise yesterday, big news if it continues. Infection rated down to 3%.

We haven't been able to keep the elderly safe even when trying not to infect everyone else.

And there's still a lot of unknowns about the long-term health impacts in survivors. Not to mention the strain on hospitals in order to maintain a low mortality rate for the non-elderly patients.

And immunity to other coronaviruses does not last very long.

I think it's nonsense.

But this article https://www.livescience.com/coronavi...d-smoking.html says this:

So the same study (it does look like the same study, doesn't it?) has been cited to point both ways. I suspect that the reports of tobacco being a factor have led to the tobacco industry trying to confuse the issue.

The smokers are younger than the non-smokers as well, on average, and since age is a strong factor it might trump the smoker/non-smoker effect (if it exists at all). And it would be very easy to define 'smokers' as people who smoke every day in one paragraph and define them as somebody who has smoked this year in the next paragraph and you could prove pretty much anything.

I might be wrong though.

Not my area of expertise but it's been known for centuries that silver is good at killing bacteria. I wouldn't think it would do anything for viruses since they aren't "alive" but maybe it does.

If it actually does antibacterial stuff that isn't a bad thing since you can get infected with things other than covid-19, especially when we're breathing moist air into a mask all day long.

Did the POTUS talk about injecting isopropyl alcohol to treat Covid patients, or did I miss something?

Are viruses alive?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-viruses-alive-2004/