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07-07-2021 , 07:19 PM
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Very interesting. Any particular reason do on grill? I think I want to try this. Do you consider them almost done when they start to open?

My grill allows me more space and ease than cooking the sides in the oven and / or toaster in addition to the stovetop. This was just way easier.


Yes - when they started to open. I think it was around 10 minutes from the time the clam were added to the pot.


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07-07-2021 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by miamicheats
My grill allows me more space and ease than cooking the sides in the oven and / or toaster in addition to the stovetop. This was just way easier.


Yes - when they started to open. I think it was around 10 minutes from the time the clam were added to the pot.


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Awesome I might just do this on my charcoal kettle grill for fun. When I do I’ll post results. Thanks again.
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07-07-2021 , 09:36 PM
Gl - excited to see what you come back with!


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07-08-2021 , 03:02 PM
just heard about the Ortolan Bunting bird whose method of consumption seems unnecessarily cruel, anyone else heard of this:

A cruel cooking method turns this tiny songbird into a rare delicacy.

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There is a dish so aromatic, so indulgent, so cruel, that it is meant to be eaten with a towel draped over the diner’s head—both to keep in the smells and, perhaps, to hide one’s face from God.

Meet the ortolan bunting, a tiny songbird that summers across Western Europe and winters in Africa. It is considered a vulnerable species, especially in France, because the bird is trapped to be the centerpiece of a very particular rituel gastronomique. Netted ortolans are kept in dark cages, which tricks them into gorging themselves on grain and figs. (It’s said they also may be blinded to achieve the same effect.) Once the small birds have doubled or more in size, they are drowned—and simultaneously marinated—in Armagnac brandy. They’re then plucked and roasted, which doesn’t take long, since there is little meat on their bones.

Diners pick up one whole, hot bird by the head—with that towel covering the act—and place it feet-first into their mouths, saving only the beak. Advocates say that the crunch of bone, the hot fat, and the bursts of flavor from the organs makes for a delicacy with no equal.

There’s something about the indulgence of eating an ortolan bunting that seems monstrous. But it’s not so different from modern industrial livestock practices—not really. So what accounts for the reputation? Is it the act of consuming them all at once, of crunching through bone in a way that makes carnivory more visceral? Is it the self-awareness of covering the act with a towel? The tradition is said to originate with famed French epicure, lawyer, and writer Jean Anthelme Brillat-Savarin, who once said, “Tell me what you eat, and I will tell you what you are.” Former French President Francois Mitterrand allegedly consumed not one but two ortolans as part of his notoriously gluttonous last meal.

Netting ortolans is illegal in some countries and not in others, but their trade is prohibited by the European Union, and France has banned the dish. That said, there are ways to experience this unique culinary tradition, if you know the right people. Ortolan bunting is an indulgent dish, but part of the allure likely comes from the transgression of consuming one of the world’s most indulgent, extravagant mouthfuls.

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Due to European Union laws and concerns about the bird's decreasing numbers, trying ortolan bunting is a quest of questionable morality. French chefs, however, are lobbying for the right to prepare ortolan bunting.
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07-08-2021 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
just heard about the Ortolan Bunting bird whose method of consumption seems unnecessarily cruel, anyone else heard of this:

A cruel cooking method turns this tiny songbird into a rare delicacy.

I only know about this bc of the show Succession. Really crazy.


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07-08-2021 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by miamicheats
I only know about this bc of the show Succession. Really crazy.


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Do you mean the show Billions? I heard it was on this show but maybe Succession too?

Wylie Dufresne sighting:



Here's Rogan talking about it:

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07-08-2021 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
Do you mean the show Billions? I heard it was on this show but maybe Succession too?

Wylie Dufresne sighting:



Here's Rogan talking about it:


I’ve never seen Billions. 99% sure it was in Succession as well.


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07-08-2021 , 09:14 PM
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I’ve never seen Billions. 99% sure it was in Succession as well.
It was in Succession, but I think it was in Billions first. Even if it wasn't, the scene from Billions was much more memorable and I associate ortolan with Billions.

You're not wrong.... just stating why people might think otherwise.
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07-08-2021 , 09:14 PM
Yim, I have heard of Ortolan before but the practice doesn't seem that much worse than foie gras.

Speaking of French food, made some steak au Poudre.

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07-08-2021 , 09:48 PM
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Yim, I have heard of Ortolan before but the practice doesn't seem that much worse than foie gras.

Speaking of French food, made some steak au Poudre.

beautiful! next on the menu, steak au poudre...

I've never had foie gras but I've heard mixed explanations of how its done which make it not sound so bad but I cant remember either story and not sure how its done

whats the meat where they put the animal in a box so it cant move? That sounds pretty rough too

the gouging of the birds eyes out so they stuff themselves is what got to me.

I love animals but I also hunt, eat meat, etc so this isn't some "woke" commentary, the ortolan process seems a bit demented in my opinion. I wish I could/would hunt more wild game, I think I'd have a greater appreciation for the meat and suspect wild game is better for us but I'm just speculating
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07-08-2021 , 09:51 PM
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the gouging of the birds eyes out so they stuff themselves is what got to me.
I believe ortolan are also drowned in Armagnac after they are blind and excessively fat. Both are horrible.
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07-08-2021 , 09:54 PM
just ate and now I want seconds (of the steak, not the birds)
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07-08-2021 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Randall Stevens
I believe ortolan are also drowned in Armagnac after they are blind and excessively fat. Both are horrible.
damn, thats harsh

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just ate and now I want seconds (of the steak, not the birds)
lol, me too
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07-08-2021 , 10:10 PM
Yim, the animal in the box where they can't move is possibly referring to veal.
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07-08-2021 , 10:20 PM
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Yim, the animal in the box where they can't move is possibly referring to veal.
thats right, thanks. Ive never had it

for some reason this reminded me of something I ate all the time when I went to my aunts house as a kid.

They'd always take me to an Italian restaurant that made these fried things we dipped in red sauce and I loved them. My mom and aunt would always laugh at me while I ate them and told them how much I loved them but I could never understand why until I got older and realized I was eating calf fries (cow balls for those who dont know).
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07-08-2021 , 10:24 PM
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just ate and now I want seconds (of the steak, not the birds)
Me too, but I stopped replying to amoeba's posts because I can only give so much praise his posts.

Last edited by Randall Stevens; 07-08-2021 at 10:38 PM. Reason: Not that it will stop salivating from his food!
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07-08-2021 , 10:43 PM
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Me too, but I stopped replying to amoeba's posts because I can only give so much praise his posts.
I feel ya but he deserves it, his stuff always looks great
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07-08-2021 , 10:49 PM
100% percent.

Last edited by Randall Stevens; 07-08-2021 at 10:50 PM. Reason: redundant
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07-08-2021 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
thats right, thanks. Ive never had it

for some reason this reminded me of something I ate all the time when I went to my aunts house as a kid.

They'd always take me to an Italian restaurant that made these fried things we dipped in red sauce and I loved them. My mom and aunt would always laugh at me while I ate them and told them how much I loved them but I could never understand why until I got older and realized I was eating calf fries (cow balls for those who dont know).
Nothing wrong with rocky mountain oysters.
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07-09-2021 , 12:14 AM
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Nothing wrong with rocky mountain oysters.
great example of ignorance is bliss because I dont think I've had one again since finding out what they were
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07-09-2021 , 03:06 AM
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Tss...absurd.
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07-09-2021 , 01:21 PM
Kind of boring salad for lunch. Can't really call it a nicoise since I didn't have olives on hand.

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07-09-2021 , 01:30 PM
On a side note, blanched greenbeans, Broccoli, and boiled potatoes should be available at all make your own salad places.

Dont understand the appeal of raw broccoli.
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07-09-2021 , 02:38 PM
Yup, just banging out a beautiful salad, no big whoop at amoebas house

I’ll use these ideas in my rotation for my diet, how long do you blanch each?
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07-09-2021 , 04:04 PM
Potatoes about 15 minutes or until fork tender, greenbeans about 5 to 6 min, bell peppers around 30 seconds.

All in salted water and dunked in ice water. feel free to adjust times as everyone has their own preferred level of doneness.
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