That's not what needs to be fixed. The answer to why original sellers don't just increase their prices has been mentioned multiple times in this thread. The consumer is getting screwed by a very prevalent secondary market. The Kobe retirement story was a small example of it, but not even the worst of it.

Honestly most people rely on stubhub to go to games and concerts. Their competition is just as unsavory where can you even see your total cost without punching in your credit card info these days?

Craigslist is filled with time wasters and most people selling on it aren't reasonable. But its a pain in the ass Im too lazy to use it.

Teams do not keep their prices constant on ticketmaster I am not talking about TM resale Im talking about sports teams jacking up their prices or dynamic pricing because they see higher secondary market prices. But guess what if they didn't do that someone like me buys the tickets to resell.

If you are talking about sports you can always support a minor league team or go to games mid week against ****ty opponents and you will get a good deal. And if you are talking about concerts most acts that aren't Adele or Beiber don't sell out and you can buy for a reasonable price at the door. But I doubt you want to support acts like that.

The only thing keeping prices in line for regular customers is a ****load of people flushing their tickets out on stubhub be it someone like me or a season ticket holder with 2 seats who attends 10-50% of games. If there isn't a prevalence of brokers and fans charging a comfortable premium and making themselves worth while money doing so the supply is going to dissapear and then you will be forced into paying through the nose... unless its a game where you can walk up and buy a ticket that isn't going to sell out. But entitled whiners probably only want to go to sold out games and when it isn't sold out or at risk of selling out and you don't have to commit weeks in advance the day of the game when you have no ticket you change your mind and stay home to watch TV.


But look back a page and see how much stubhub is currently charging you they don't spend a penny on the tickets, don't spend a penny to pay the artists, and provide nothing but the platform.... and there is now another 5-10% in their fees tacked on to what they used to charge. That is where your gripe should be not the guy like me who bought tickets to flip on stubhub raising stubhubs supply and in turn lowering the price on stubhub.



The system works best when brokers get comfortable amounts and take on significant risk (rain or an NFL playoff game with a team in the same city coinciding with your NHL tickets you want to sell or the team sucking) yet get a good price for doing so and can make a reasonable amount charging a normal price. I thrive in environments like these because I sell a lot and am happier to take a smaller profit margin that most everyone else.

And if you worship a rapist like Kobe and seeing him play from the upper deck of the stadium one last time is the type of thing you need to be at and post on your facebook your a chump who deserves to get ripped off. You are exactly what leads to prices like that 'I havent been to see my local team all year that I claim to be a die hard fan of and haven't given them a penny but I want to see Kobe' or 'I haven't been to a concert in a year but I need to take my gf to see Adele but scalpers are evil how dare someone make me pay a grand for that.'

That rant not directed at TVdome either.

Its just directed at anyone who buys tickets to events off secondary websites the majority of the time and is dumb enough to think that people buying with the intention of reselling are what raises the prices for them. The reality is the opposite every fan who buys a ticket to use from the primary source is lowering the supply available to you and raising your price. Everyone who buys a ticket to flip is raising the suppply and lowering your price.

It was actually a pretty terrible example of it.And there are plenty of times the exact opposite happens (game goes from very in demand to no demand) and the brokers take a bath.

That one guy got ripped off bc some scumbag seller didn't fulfill his obligation but that guy isn't even a real reseller.And that one sale aside that game is a perfect example of why fans are full of ****. They want to cherry pick what games they go to but also not pay market rate. Fans had months to buy tickets for that game, chose not to then when Kobe announces his retirement cry about the prices.

This too.It was the same thing when Jeter retired. His last game which was meaningless otherwise had a terrible forecast for tons of rain and the prices were through the roof. people had 20 years to see him play, could have gone the day before for 10 bucks but instead pay 500 then cry about those evil brokers.

I'm very familiar with Yankee Stadium prices and to me it's still comical that Jeter's last game, and opening day in 2009, the all star game in 2008 all went for much higher prices than any of the three home games of the world series in 2009.

It made no sense to me but I was quite happy to sell my tickets for 2 regular season games and an exibition game and a much higher price than I had to pay to get into the 2 world series games I didn't get with my partial plan.

The same fans who cry about brokers are the ones setting markets that don't even make sense.
Brokers aren't making them pay a ton of money to go to a game. The fact they want to go to a game everyone else wants to go to also is.

If more tickets were released to the general public for "hot" games 2 things would happen

1)some people would get tickets at face value direct from the venue who wouldn't otherwise. many of these people would actually use them to attend the event. But a lot of them would also sell them because

2)tickets on the secondary market would be even higher than they are under current conditions because a lot fewer would be available

For the people in #1- in the specific example where they would have gotten tix directly from the venue if brokers didn't exist they would be better off if brokers didn't exist. Otherwise they're better off with brokers.

Is there a specific site that brokers go to to find out about upcoming concerts, presales, events etc...?

Yes

Hahaha

LOL nice

You have to do your own research man, no one is just going to give away information that is going to give them more competition.

TRUTH.


But you are a ****ty broker and no better than regular shmucks if you rely on a website to tell you when to buy tickets to flip.


This resale game is social darwinism at the finest and if you suck at this game and rely on websites that tell you when to buy tickets instead of knowing it yourself you are brown toast.

Everyone on here making money flipping tickets makes it because of their experience and knowledge from not only being in the game but being fans themselves and knowing sports and concerts and events. You want a ****ing website to tell you what/when to buy prepare to lose and consider yourself a shmuck.



Myself and none of the other brokers have really ever made money on anything other than our own intuition. You think we have something telling us what to buy? OUr own intuition and knowledge that has taken years to cultivate overall is honestly all we have. Its not always rocket science but it can be tricky and if you know...well you know...and its profitable.

This is a great game though.


Don't expect to become the next Warren Buffett and embrace being a huge fan and you can buy yourself the most wonderful season tickets to your favorite team and go to a ****load of games and come out positive money and go to 10+ games a year just by using common sense.


I would never tell someone to quit their job and become a broker. But if you are not happy with the cost of attending events do buy season tickets to your team and sell 75% of the games go to 25% break even and love the fact that you supported your team and went to a ****load of games for free. Get into the game from that angle, learn the skills, get that experience....and guess what after a couple years you might be good enough to turn 5 figure profits annually.


The lower your expecations are the easier it will be to meet them and the more I would encourage you to do so. Go back 2 pages and see how grimy ticketmaster and stubhub are and how your team might need season ticketholders and make the plunge and do it. THis game/market doesn't need more pro's but it can absolutely handle more casual fans flipping their **** to games they can't attend that is always all good and I always encourage people to do this. Get yourself some dank ass seats to your favorite team and sell the big games off and enjoy going for free its awesome DO IT you honestly can NOT lose getting in at that angle!

And finally make sure to have fun, use plenty of the tickets yourself, and be nice to people. THis business is all about being nice to other people not worrying about bottom lines don't turn away money to people who have cash in hand if you're going to profit off them that extra 10 bucks isn't worth it.

Is this the trend for sports teams? I was contemplating buying angels baseball season tickets. Then I am told that the 1. The Angels can take away my season tickets if they find out I sell angels tickets on a different reseller website from their angels ticket exchange. 2. They only allow you to print out electronic tickets 48 hours before the game. And 3. I am only allowed to print out 10 games electronically out of a total of 84 games.

Some solid advice here.

I started selling tickets to subsidize my tailgate parties and personal tickets. Then I realized I could make some real money from it when I was an unemployed college student. I made some really good moves and got lucky a few times.

After making enough to get through college (debt free) I got a little reckless thinking I knew what I was doing and made a few mistakes. Big mistakes (multiple $10,000+ loss mistakes) it was only then I realized I had no clue what I was doing

The point of all of this is to say, don't get comfortable. Don't think you have it all figured out. There is no sure fire system to making money selling tickets. Its all about putting in the time, predicting trends and getting lucky.

I sell tickets now because it's fun and a good waste of time. It's more fun when I make money, but I learned never to risk more than I want to lose.

The LAA have one of the more strict resale policies in the MLB.

They are sick of not getting a bigger cut of the secondary ticket sales, so now they restrict sales to their marketplace so they can get a bigger cut.

There are ways around this, but it is true that if the team finds out they will revoke your season ticket (depending on how the team is performing and if they can resell the tickets themselves)

As for the printouts, I don't really know much about that. I hate "paperless" tickets. I have a ticket stub from every baseball game I have ever attended. **** paperless ticketing!

http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/ana...g/tixterms.jsp

That is very excessive I think it just means they have too many brokers.

Whats unfair is that those rules they are enacting on you will not apply to people who have 200+ season tickets.

California has a lot of people with a lot of money to spend/invest on tickets its always scared me off the amount of brokers. Granted I was wrong and made a mistake when I didn't buy Warriors seasons when I was really on the fence about it and didn't get 49ers ones for the last couple years at Candlestick because their games had 15k seats per game on stubhub but there is a lot of competition.


If you get good seats at a good price and can sell them to coworkers or friends do it but it sounds like a nightmare if you're going to use stubhub to move them you need electronic for stubhub. Not getting caught will be easy though they aren't stubhub integrated.

Here is a copy of the Attorney General of New York's report today on the state of the ticketing industry. This is a fascinating read on so many levels.

http://www.ag.ny.gov/pdfs/Ticket_Sales_Report.pdf

Hi can anyone help. I brought tickets for Keith urban via his fanclub it was processed by songkick. I brought the tickets to resell. Songkick is pretty strict on scalpers. They emailed saying tickets in my section is on the secondary market and they will cancel tickets if they find out you are reselling them. The tickets are being mailed and the venue and mailing address are in different states. Has anyone dealt with this issue? What are the chances of songkick cancelling my tickets?

I was listing to a story about this on NPR yesterday and found it interesting.

Thanks for posting the full report, I look forward to reading.

Yeah its very interesting, I definitely recommend reading the full thing. This may be the start of some serious and much-needed reforms to the industry. There was a live press conference I watched as well which was interesting (can't find the link, sorry).

Unfortunately, it seems like they consulted every industry stakeholder EXCEPT ticket brokers in making their report. It is full of inaccuracies and misrepresentations. How many times have you seen a headline that says something along the lines of "Taylor Swift tickets selling for $15,000 on secondary market". Meanwhile the average ticket price is $300, with one listing for $15,000 likely because it's a broker who listed their inventory and just wants to wait and see how the event is performing before deciding on their ultimate selling price. Things like that infuriate me.

Two questions:

1. I got non-premium Adele tix for 5 different venues when they went on sale via TicketMaster in mid-Dec. I received my TicketFast tix for 4 of the shows within a few weeks - TM delayed ticket delivery "to allow for ticket limit verification" - but I'm still waiting on delivery for the St Paul show. To the best of my recollection TM originally said that St Paul delivery would be delayed until Jan 4, however TM now says it's delayed until "date TBD." I have a friend that's also waiting on "date TBD" delivery for his Adele Chicago tix, other than St Paul and Chicago are there any other venues that are still delaying delivery for Adele?

2. After last year's Super Bowl ticket debacle I'm curious as to how the ticket situation to this year's event is shaping up?

It's a total joke how they make "Presales" sound like some nefarious backdoor insider trading type deal.