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01-12-2015 , 06:33 PM
They just found the black box. Will the general public ever be able to listen to the last 10 mins or whatever?
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01-12-2015 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GREEAR10
What about a thunderstorm makes it so dangerous to fly through?

As far as I've learned..

1) turbulence doesn't bring down planes
2) wings are bent insane amounts in testing, amounts that are pretty much impossible to occur by wind speed creates in nature
3) Planes are designed to get struck by lightning and be fine

So what specifically about them causes trouble? Just ice? Haven't they fixed the pitot tube problem that caused them to ice over on that one plane that went down?
It has nothing to do with ice. The problem arises when people and objects (such as a service cart) start flying around the cabin. People have been killed because of turbulence, even though the plane comes through unscathed.
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01-12-2015 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by GREEAR10
They just found the black box. Will the general public ever be able to listen to the last 10 mins or whatever?
I hope not. It's meant to be used in investigations, not for public entertainment.
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01-12-2015 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by W0X0F
I hope not. It's meant to be used in investigations, not for public entertainment.
Some of the black box recordings of accidents have freaked me out. If I recall correctly, I could hear the final minutes of the japanese "most deaths ever" accident on youtube, and even though I obviously didn't understand the words, it really freaked me out. Just reading the transcripts of (for instance) the Air France accident with the secondary (?) pilot screwing up and the other pilots realizing just before they hit the water is pretty heavy stuff.
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01-12-2015 , 07:28 PM
It will become public. It always does.
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01-12-2015 , 07:36 PM
I don't think people want to know for "entertainment"

I think most are genuinely curious.
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01-12-2015 , 08:36 PM
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I don't think people want to know for "entertainment"

I think most are genuinely curious.
What's the difference? If you want to know what happened, read the report.
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01-12-2015 , 10:33 PM
W0X0F can correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of the "danger" to the airplane from flying through cumulonimbus cells isn't the turbulence per se but the extreme rain/hail that can occur and flame out the engines.

Which is why you don't really see flights through these types of weather esp. in the US.
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01-12-2015 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by GREEAR10
I don't think people want to know for "entertainment"

I think most are genuinely curious.
If it doesn't serve a practical propose then it's entertainment...
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01-13-2015 , 02:23 AM
I've asked a few questions in this thread but I can't remember seeing this video posted yet (apologies if my memory failed and I'm wasting your time): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P9OAng32F0#t=19

It seems to me that heavy crosswinds affect takeoffs far less dramatically than landings. Is this true? Also, do you have any videos you would recommend to help someone get over fear of takeoffs?

Thanks for the years you've put into this thread.
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01-13-2015 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximum Rocknroll
I've asked a few questions in this thread but I can't remember seeing this video posted yet (apologies if my memory failed and I'm wasting your time): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P9OAng32F0#t=19

It seems to me that heavy crosswinds affect takeoffs far less dramatically than landings. Is this true? Also, do you have any videos you would recommend to help someone get over fear of takeoffs?

Thanks for the years you've put into this thread.
do bumpty landings like this often cause damage to the plane? i assume they are checked over by an engineer after but how often would landings like this require a need for maintenance work/delays of next flight etc?
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01-13-2015 , 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by amead
W0X0F can correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of the "danger" to the airplane from flying through cumulonimbus cells isn't the turbulence per se but the extreme rain/hail that can occur and flame out the engines.

Which is why you don't really see flights through these types of weather esp. in the US.
Yes, that stuff is a danger to the plane, but it's still rare that it brings a plane down. The severe turbulence is really the issue for passenger safety.
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01-13-2015 , 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximum Rocknroll

It seems to me that heavy crosswinds affect takeoffs far less dramatically than landings. Is this true? Also, do you have any videos you would recommend to help someone get over fear of takeoffs?

Thanks for the years you've put into this thread.

It kind of comes down to the difference between breaking free of the ground (takeoff) or making contact with the ground (landing). On a takeoff, the plane starts out on centerline, firmly on the ground. The necessary directional control inputs become obvious as the plane accelerates. Once the plane lifts off, there is no more ground contract and, let's face it, it's ground contract that causes all the problems for planes.

Landing, on the other hand, is all about making that first contact with the ground and the landing isn't over until the airplane slows to taxi speed.
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01-13-2015 , 05:58 AM
In the movie "Flight", how realistic is the crash scene (ie would a pilot ever consider going inverted under similar circumstances or is it just Hollywooding?). Scene here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rNAnlQNL_M
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01-13-2015 , 06:07 AM
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In the movie "Flight", how realistic is the crash scene (ie would a pilot ever consider going inverted under similar circumstances or is it just Hollywooding?). Scene here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rNAnlQNL_M
W0X0F wrote an entire article about this! http://www.airspacemag.com/daily-pla...318220/?no-ist
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01-13-2015 , 06:26 AM
Thanks! So er that would be a no then
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01-13-2015 , 07:31 AM
Poking around the Air & Space site I stumbled onto some stories from former SR-71 pilots, fascinating stuff: http://www.airspacemag.com/flight-to...ies-180953373/
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01-13-2015 , 08:18 AM
Hey great thread. Random curious question.

Would you be able to land a small business jet that you have never flown before without instructions? Or the planes are too different in general?

If yes then what about F16?
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01-13-2015 , 10:07 AM
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Poking around the Air & Space site I stumbled onto some stories from former SR-71 pilots, fascinating stuff: http://www.airspacemag.com/flight-to...ies-180953373/
Yeah, I read those first person accounts by Blackbird drivers when they came out a month or two ago. Great stories. My favorite in the bunch, by Major Brian Shul, from his book Sled Driver: Flying the World’s Fastest Jet, first published in 1991:

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Walter and I had just completed the 100 hours required to attain Mission Ready status in the jet. Ripping across the Arizona deserts 80,000 feet below us, I could already see the coast of California.

I was beginning to feel a bit sorry for Walter in the back seat. There he was, with no really good view of the incredible sights before us, tasked with monitoring four different radios. The predominant radio chatter was from Los Angeles Center, controlling daily traffic in their sector. While they had us on their scope (albeit briefly), we were in uncontrolled airspace and normally would not talk to them unless we needed to descend into their airspace.

We listened as the shaky voice of a lone Cessna pilot asked Center for a readout of his ground speed. Center replied: “November Charlie 175, I’m showing you at 90 knots on the ground.”

Now the thing to understand about Center controllers was that whether they were talking to a rookie pilot in a Cessna or to Air Force One, they always spoke in the exact same, calm, deep, professional, tone that made one feel important. I referred to it as the “Houston Center voice.” Conversely, over the years, pilots always wanted to ensure that, when transmitting, they sounded like Chuck Yeager, or at least like John Wayne. Better to die than sound bad on the radios.

Just moments after the Cessna’s inquiry, a Twin Beech piped up on frequency, in a rather superior tone, asking for his ground speed. “I have you at 125 knots of ground speed.” Boy, I thought, the Beechcraft really must think he is dazzling his Cessna brethren. Then out of the blue, a Navy F/A-18 pilot out of Naval Air Station Lemoore came up on frequency. You knew right away it was a Navy jock because he sounded very cool on the radios. “Center, Dusty 52 ground speed check.” Before Center could reply, I’m thinking to myself, “Hey, Dusty 52 has a ground speed indicator in that million-dollar cockpit, so why is he asking Center for a readout?” Then I got it. Ol’ Dusty here is making sure that every bug smasher from Mount Whitney to the Mojave knows what true speed is. He’s the fastest dude in the valley today, and he just wants everyone to know how much fun he is having in his new Hornet. And the reply, always with that same calm voice, with more distinct alliteration than emotion: “Dusty 52, Center, we have you at 620 on the ground.”

And I thought to myself: Is this a ripe situation, or what? As my hand instinctively reached for the mic button, I had to remind myself that Walt was in control of the radios. Still, I thought, it must be done. That Hornet must die, and die now.

Then I heard it. The click of the mic button from the back seat. That was the very moment that I knew Walter and I had become a crew. Very professionally, Walter spoke: “Los Angeles Center, Aspen 20, can you give us a ground speed check?” There was no hesitation: “Aspen 20, I show you at 1,842 knots, across the ground.”

I think it was the “42 knots” that I liked the best, so accurate and proud was Center to deliver that information without hesitation, and you just knew he was smiling. Walt keyed the mic once again to say, in his most fighter-pilot-like voice: “Ah, Center, much thanks, we’re showing closer to nineteen hundred on the money.”

For a moment, Walter was a god. And we finally heard a little crack in the armor of the Houston Center voice, when L.A. came back with “Roger that Aspen. Your equipment is probably more accurate than ours. You boys have a good one.”
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01-13-2015 , 10:09 AM
Have you ever seen a UFO?
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01-13-2015 , 10:09 AM
Have you read the rest of the book? If so, how is it?
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01-13-2015 , 10:14 AM
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Hey great thread. Random curious question.

Would you be able to land a small business jet that you have never flown before without instructions? Or the planes are too different in general?

If yes then what about F16?
I'd like to think so, but it might be ugly if I had absolutely no information about the plane. For example, on the 757, typical technique on landing is to start reducing power 30-50 feet above the ground. On the 767, you don't start this power reduction until about 10 feet or so. Flying it like a 757 will lead to a very firm arrival. Conversely, if you wait until 10 feet on a 757 you'll get a lot of float and might miss the touchdown zone.

These are the kind of things it would be nice to know when getting in a new plane.
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01-13-2015 , 01:05 PM
You have answered some questions about the different flying characteristics between the 757 and 767, and between those aircraft and the MD-88, but I was wondering about the actual layout of the controls.

I think we all have had the experience of buying a new car or renting a car and having a difficult time figuring out where the turn signal, windshield wiper, etc. controls are. Obviously you don't wait for your first revenue flight to figure these things out, but do you notice that between aircraft, some are more "pilot-friendly" as it relates to where various controls and gauges are located? Do newer cockpit designs tend to be more intuitive? Related to your recent switch in aircraft, has there been anything different in layout that you find a significant improvement or downgrade over the 767s/757s you flew previously?

Thanks as always.
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01-13-2015 , 03:35 PM
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Have you ever seen a UFO?
This was first answered on page 4 of this thread (five years ago, yikes!).

Link.


Rather than being annoyed that you are re-asking this question...
I am truly very envious - you have not yet read this whole thread! Enjoy!!!
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01-13-2015 , 03:53 PM
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Have you read the rest of the book? If so, how is it?
I haven't, but I'm going to now.
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