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01-23-2015 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipWrecked
Caputo's point was that JFK got a generation whipped up to serve its country, then that country went straight into the Vietnam cluster****.

edit: slow pony
Yeah, I read his response and saw that he didn't mean what I thought he did at first.
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01-23-2015 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
It may have been an immediate failure, but in the long game it was a huge success. It's what got the Soviet Union to hang in so long in Afghanistan, because they could hardly pull out after a couple years and lose face considering we hung in for 10 years. It ended up breaking the Soviet Union.
Wow, I've heard the canard that Reagan's arming of the rebels in Afghanistan caused the fall of the USSR (a pretty silly simplification, but whatever) but this is the first time I've heard someone ascribe the Soviet's losing in Afghanistan to Vietnam.
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01-23-2015 , 05:30 PM
I agree with the sentiments above.

I also know that at the last count I saw, a few years ago, we had people in 130 countries.

That's ****ing ridiculous. That smells like an empire.
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01-23-2015 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
The most powerful military in the history of the world with unquestionable loyalty to wealthy private interests is an amazing threat to all 7 billion people on Earth. Totally unique to our lifetime in the entire history of humanity, yet despised by those in it's cross hairs and by educated people with a clue .
FYP
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01-23-2015 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipWrecked
I agree with the sentiments above.

I also know that at the last count I saw, a few years ago, we had people in 130 countries.

That's ****ing ridiculous. That smells like an empire.
Counting countries we have troops stationed in is a ridiculous measure of us being an empire. First of all, there are like 12 countries where the US has more than 1000 troops stationed. Those include the UK, Germany, Japan, S.Korea, Spain and Belgium - all modern democracies where we are a more than welcome part of their defense. We now have less than 15k troops in Iraq and Afghanistan total.

The only US military presences I would entertain as having anything to do with Imperialism would be Bahrain and Kuwait.
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01-23-2015 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
Wow, I've heard the canard that Reagan's arming of the rebels in Afghanistan caused the fall of the USSR (a pretty silly simplification, but whatever) but this is the first time I've heard someone ascribe the Soviet's losing in Afghanistan to Vietnam.
The Soviet Union pretty obviously failed for the same reason that the economic systems of China and Vietnam, which are both only nominally communist, eventually failed.
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01-23-2015 , 05:58 PM
I'm a tard and I'll poli no more. Except **** all those countries with those economies. Who the hell are we defending Germany from? And why exactly do we need striking power from Germany?
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01-23-2015 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipWrecked
I'm a tard and I'll poli no more. Except **** all those countries with those economies. Who the hell are we defending Germany from? And why exactly do we need striking power from Germany?
For the better part of the post WWII period we have clearly been occupying/protecting Germany. Protecting Europe from Germany, while also protecting Europe from Soviet expansion. We now have a considerable legacy of military bases in Germany.

Mostly I agree that it's not needed and that Western Europe can take care of itself, but there still is a little Russian aggression maybe. Post cold war, I do think our military is too large and to some extent: having a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
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01-23-2015 , 07:56 PM
American Sniper is on pace for a $60m second weekend gross. Looks like it is going to blow away Mockingjay & Guardians ($333m for each) to become 2014's #1 grossing film. 1st time an R-rated film has won a box office year since Saving Private Ryan.

And it has a decent chance to be the #1 grossing R-rated film in box office history (current record is $370m).
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01-24-2015 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ChipWrecked
Caputo's point was that JFK got a generation whipped up to serve its country, then that country went straight into the Vietnam cluster****.
He did have to deal with two "brink of war" crises in Berlin and Cuba.
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01-24-2015 , 05:22 AM
finally saw it.

meh, pretty underwhelming.

also LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL at a seal team member (or any soldier) being in the middle of a desperate fire fight vs a superior force and putting his ****ing weapon down and calling his wife.

just wtf.
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01-24-2015 , 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ChipWrecked
I agree with the sentiments above.

I also know that at the last count I saw, a few years ago, we had people in 130 countries.

That's ****ing ridiculous. That smells like an empire.
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01-24-2015 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipWrecked
I'm a tard and I'll poli no more. Except **** all those countries with those economies. Who the hell are we defending Germany from? And why exactly do we need striking power from Germany?
What answer would be good enough for you to find the bases warranted?
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01-24-2015 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Those include the UK, Germany, Japan, S.Korea, Spain and Belgium - all modern democracies where we are a more than welcome part of their defense.
Anti-USA sentiment in Spain is pretty much the norm across the political spectrum. People love the culture but hate the country and the politics. They think it's a joke that there are US bases here, and know it's because they can't do anything about it.

Calling Spain a "modern democracy" is a bit of reach too.
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01-25-2015 , 02:56 AM
Saw it - read some where that 40s and 50s westerns were an inspiration and def felt that. Was a little heavy handed and over the top at times but still a enjoyable movie. After reading up on it seems like it might have been more interesting if they grounded it in reality rather than making up so much of it esp the whole Butcher/Mustaffa storylines.
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01-25-2015 , 08:04 AM
The whole mustaffa thing was made up?
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01-25-2015 , 11:06 AM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/kyleclaims.asp

Snopes weighed in on Kyle's various claims.
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01-25-2015 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
The whole mustaffa thing was made up?
According to Kyle's book, Mustaffa was a silver medalist in the Olympics and he was killed by someone else.
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01-25-2015 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by midas
It's a good movie taken from a real story. No Hollywood endings, no political view shoved down your throat. Just a snapshot of one man's life made into a movie. Is he a hero or just a normal guy doing his job well - you decide.
Does that snapshot include the whole ridiculous plot line of
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the Syrian sniper that was always chasing them, a plot line basically completely false (in his book he mentions him in one sentence) and pulled from Enemy at the Gates?
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01-25-2015 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by slidey1
Does that snapshot include the whole ridiculous plot line of
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the Syrian sniper that was always chasing them, a plot line basically completely false (in his book he mentions him in one sentence) and pulled from Enemy at the Gates?
The movie is an adaptation of his book. I would hate to spend good money and see a 2 hr version of Generation Kill which might have been realistic but incredibly boring and tedious. In these times, 95% of modern warfare is boring and tedious. The only reason this story is remotely interesting is that urban and "humane" warfare levels the playing field to 1940s - 50s tech. Put all these enemy combatants on open terrain, on water or air and the war is over in 1 week. Desert Storm was a joke because Saddam actually thought he could win a war against us and he got slaughtered. It was so one sided against him that people actually felt bad for him and his soldiers.
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01-25-2015 , 06:05 PM
wait wtf?
generation kill was amazing.

vastly superior to American Sniper.
I honestly almost fell asleep during sniper.
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01-25-2015 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by riverboatking
generation kill was amazing.
Amazing like Saving Private Ryan, Apocalypse Now or Platoon?

GK isn't even close to that category of amazing.
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01-25-2015 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
+1

The most powerful military in the history of the world with unquestionable loyalty to a democratically elected civilian government is an amazing blessing to all 7 billion people on Earth. Totally unique to our lifetime in the entire history of humanity, yet taken for granted.
lmao

i read it as dripping with sarcasm as possible and it made my day.
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01-26-2015 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ChipWrecked
I'm a tard and I'll poli no more. Except **** all those countries with those economies. Who the hell are we defending Germany from? And why exactly do we need striking power from Germany?
If we didn't have missiles in Germany, Putin would have annexed it by now too.
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01-26-2015 , 11:30 AM
Was a pretty boring film overall, coupled with the "because america is the greatest country on earth" rhetoric which was cringey. The Lion King kept popping in to my head also.
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