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Amanda Knox....Innocent American on trial in Italy or cold-blooded murderer? Amanda Knox....Innocent American on trial in Italy or cold-blooded murderer?
View Poll Results: Is Amanda Knox innocent or guilty of murdering Meredith Kercher in Perugia Italy?
There is reasonable doubt here and should be found not guilty.
381 26.87%
She is guilty as can be and should be found guilty.
551 38.86%
She is completely innocent and should be acquitted.
168 11.85%
Undecided
318 22.43%

04-15-2013 , 04:20 AM
Is it too much to ask that everyone refrains from personal insults and creepy stalking of the internet activity of people whose opinions they disagree with? FFS this thread is bad enough already but some of us actually enjoy picking out the occasional snippets of legitimate discussion.
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04-15-2013 , 05:06 AM
I'm happy to do that.

The only thing is that PFUNK (aka RockSlick) was banned from this thread and should stay banned rather than come back with new accounts. That would help a lot, he's unfortunately incapable of contributing.

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some of us actually enjoy picking out the occasional snippets of legitimate discussion.
I think we're at an impasse and have been for a long time. 300 posts round and round on the 112 call didn't shift the line on that one at all because it depends on getting the raw testimony now. There's nothing else in the sources we have to explore on that topic. Meanwhile 239 refuses to provide his theory of the evidence and narrative for the crime given the evidence if Guede did it alone, so there's no progress on getting that. Henry has posted his and most have found it compelling.

The only things that will create worthwhile discussion now are new information (the SCC report, Knox's book) or making new sources accessible (the trial transcripts). 239 is refusing to do the latter, speaking in riddles about obtaining them and calling Henry a ****** when it seems he was correct about the forum being private or at least restricting

Last edited by Truthsayer; 04-15-2013 at 05:11 AM.
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04-15-2013 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FatTony-
They were friends. Laura and Filomena reported no problems between them other than house cleaning. Meredith's boyfriend said they walked to school together and ate dinner together. They went to the classical music concert and chocolate festival together. There's a text message from Meredith to Amanda the night before she was killed where she signed off with xoxo. It's pretty easy to see they were friends. Filomena & Amanda were still talking after the murder. You'd think she might have sensed something having lived with Amanda and Meredith for weeks but she didn't. There's not a single witness to say Amanda said a bad word about Meredith to her face or behind her back.

Lumumba is a bitch. I'm not interested in anything he has to say other than it's worth noting he said the cops beat him and called him a dirty black which backs up Amanda's claims she was at the very least cuffed in the back of the head.

The space of 1 hour is the 9.10 movie end time and the cell phones had left the cottage by 10.13pm

The fact Guede was caught with stolen property from the law office which had been broken into via a second story window with a rock two weeks before the murder speaks for itself. I'm supprised $hitman didn't leave a calling card in the toilet there.

He was caught with a knife and a little hammer used for breaking glass. What do you think the little hammer was for? He first used a rock then his little hammer was taken from him then he's back using a rock to break into the cottage.
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04-15-2013 , 09:57 AM
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He admitted "leaning out the window" he broke in via in his statements. They only did 5 tests on the whole room so not sure how or why you'd expect to turn up forensic evidence of him in there.

Cept there's only one problem, the blood on the window was TMB positive. Do you think it was his?

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04-15-2013 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by FatTony-
He admitted "leaning out the window" he broke in via in his statements. They only did 5 tests on the whole room so not sure how or why you'd expect to turn up forensic evidence of him in there.
Source?


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Cept there's only one problem, the blood on the window was TMB positive. Do you think it was his?
Rudy is a human

The positive TMB test came back as not human blood.

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Assuming the TMB test was blood it was not Rudy's blood
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04-15-2013 , 10:43 AM
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Source?




Rudy is a human

The positive TMB test came back as not human blood.

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Assuming the TMB test was blood it was not Rudy's blood
Why his SC report of course.

He reaffirmed that he had touched many places in the room with
blood on his hands, but that the room was orderly (but he didn't explain his handprint on the
pillow under the body of the girl, a pillow that he recalled as being on the bed, outside of the
quilt on which the girl's jacket and bag lay), that Meredith was dressed, that the windowpane
of the window,which he had leaned out of, was not broken, and that Romanelli's room was in
order, and her shutters and inner shutters were open. He had left the house on via della
Pergola at around 22:30.

Henry it's funny that blood spot on the window was TMB positive but they couldn't get any DNA from it hey Bit like what went on downstairs. blood on the bed, glass on the floor but it all came back negative cept for cats blood on the lightswitch.

Now that you're a member of IA you can read the threads and learn a few things about the case after all these years.

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04-15-2013 , 10:47 AM
I'll confirm if it actually says that when I get back. My guess is that it does not.

As for the blood -- are you claiming Rudy is not human?
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04-15-2013 , 11:57 AM
The English version of the SCC report does contain that.
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04-15-2013 , 12:09 PM
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The English version of the SCC report does contain that.
Ohh yes it does.
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04-15-2013 , 12:16 PM
I'm still curious on where you stand on Rudy being human?
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04-15-2013 , 12:33 PM
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I'm still curious on where you stand on Rudy being human?
What do you mean not being human? It was TMB positive but DNA negative. Weird huh?

What do you make of what went on downstairs? Did you see the crime scene videos and pics?
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04-15-2013 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FatTony-
What do you mean not being human? It was TMB positive but DNA negative. Weird huh?
No. It was TMB positive but failed a species test for being human. As such if it was blood it was not human blood.

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What do you make of what went on downstairs? Did you see the crime scene videos and pics?
Don't see how it is relevant.
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04-15-2013 , 12:50 PM
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No. It was TMB positive but failed a species test for being human. As such if it was blood it was not human blood.



Don't see how it is relevant.
Ohh yeh? You seen the crime scene vid and photos of downstairs?
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04-15-2013 , 12:57 PM
Maybe instead of just trying to raise confusion you should make an argument. Everything downstairs had nothing to do with the murder.
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04-15-2013 , 12:59 PM
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Maybe instead of just trying to raise confusion you should make an argument. Everything downstairs had nothing to do with the murder.
You bet it did. Evidence of Guede downstairs and it was game over for the prosecutions crazy theory just like his DNA on the window.
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04-15-2013 , 01:07 PM
ban this idiot
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04-15-2013 , 01:10 PM
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You bet it did. Evidence of Guede downstairs and it was game over for the prosecutions crazy theory just like his DNA on the window.
Except there was no evidence Rudy was downstairs or that anyone was. The boys who lived there were away and nothing indicates that anyone was downstairs so you are just making bull**** claims.

With respect to the stain on the window we just covered that there was no DNA and that the stain came back as not human so why are you lying about it?
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04-15-2013 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FatTony-
Why his SC report of course.

He reaffirmed that he had touched many places in the room with
blood on his hands, but that the room was orderly (but he didn't explain his handprint on the
pillow under the body of the girl, a pillow that he recalled as being on the bed, outside of the
quilt on which the girl's jacket and bag lay), that Meredith was dressed, that the windowpane
of the window,which he had leaned out of, was not broken, and that Romanelli's room was in
order, and her shutters and inner shutters were open. He had left the house on via della
Pergola at around 22:30.

Henry it's funny that blood spot on the window was TMB positive but they couldn't get any DNA from it hey Bit like what went on downstairs. blood on the bed, glass on the floor but it all came back negative cept for cats blood on the lightswitch.

Now that you're a member of IA you can read the threads and learn a few things about the case after all these years.
oh so now we are just taking whatever Rudy says as fact? funny how you believe him when it fits your narrative but when anything he says hurts your case it's, "rudy is a thief, criminal etc."
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04-15-2013 , 01:45 PM
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oh so now we are just taking whatever Rudy says as fact? funny how you believe him when it fits your narrative but when anything he says hurts your case it's, "rudy is a thief, criminal etc."
In the same statement Rudy says the window was not broken and the room as was not tossed so that must be accepted. Likewise Meredith is dressed according to Rudy. For these elements there is independent evidence that supports Rudy being truthful but I don't think Fat Michael would accept that.
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04-15-2013 , 02:25 PM
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What specifically does anyone discredit Rudy as saying based on him being a criminal, thief etc. that hurts an innocent standpoint besides his ridiculous story about being on the ****ter and seeing Raff and hearing Amanda?

This is the only thing he says that "hurts" the case against Amanda and Raffaele.

The fact that you can draw inferences from the person we know for a fact was in the house that night based on their statements is sound, logical reasoning.
Why do you keep posting if you know nothing about the evidence?

In the statement Fat Tony posted alone Rudy says multiple things that implicate Amanda and Raffaele.
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04-15-2013 , 03:01 PM
You are just a brutally, brutally awful poster. Absolutely not going to respond to any responses you might have to this fact, just thought it might help you to hear it.
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04-15-2013 , 03:16 PM
Does anyone have a link to a definitive presentation of the footprint? I know we have the table drawn from expert testimony in the trial, but I'd like to see this information presented visually and properly compared. It seems that this is one of several smoking guns for guilt and probably the easiest to demonstrate.



The Friends of Amanda presentation is absurd (they photoshopped and shrunk Guede's foot and left out the rulers, lol), and I don't find the Kermit analysis powerpoints on TJMK definitive. For example, the incompatibility with Guede's foot isn't demonstrated, only the strong match with Sollecito's on an overlay/one measurement which while interesting is not definitive for me. Is there anything better?
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04-15-2013 , 03:46 PM
With respect to the chart you can find the data that table was made from on page 338 to 342 of Massei.

In addition to that we have both the Rinaldi Report and Vinci's powerpoint presentation. Both are in Italian only

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/rinaldi1.pdf
http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/rinaldi2.pdf

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/Vinci.pdf
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04-15-2013 , 04:23 PM
Henry, thank you. The measurements on the pictures in Rinaldi 2 appear completely definitive and fit with the table.

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/rinaldi2.pdf

Guede is strongly ruled out based on several measurements while everything fits well with Sollecito. The other point for me not captured in the table is that Rudy's foot is balanced such that his smaller toes make significant clear contact, while Raf's is balanced such that he has the faintest of toe prints except the big one. The lack of any toe marks on the bath mat except for the big one is another piece of evidence.

How is this not definitive? I can't imagine how you could explain that away or jiggle measurements such that Rudy's very different foot fits the print. Is there a defense presentation that's downloadable?

Last edited by Truthsayer; 04-15-2013 at 04:28 PM.
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