Good one Jackass!! I guess you believe everything you read on the internet?

How do you make it through life with your head firmly inserted up your ass?

yimyammer is doing a good job of taking the skeptic side and I get the feeling if presented with the right evidence he could change his mind. Just like I could if some new exonerating evidence came out. Save your bile for poker91.
(receipts!!!)

We wouldn't have unearthed nearly the amount of stuff we have itt if everyone was in agreement already that she was probably guilty.

Thank you sir

I'm an admitted skeptic, but I'm not closed minded (regardless of what some may believe)

vim,

show me how any of your concerns are relevant. Not once have anyone in the last 100 posts treated anything that is not 'factual' as otherwise, and the analysis have all centred on what is factually known.

You should be able to see why a general skeptism towards all reported information is both irrelevant and worthless in attempting to analyze this case.

Ok, I'll try but could you please define what you feel are my "concerns"?

I'm not being a amartass, I just want to make sure I reply to your question accurately and that what you think are my concerns are in fact my concerns.

The tone of your initial response sounded hostile, if true, what exactly have I said makes you react this way?

I want to know, because as hard as it may be for some to believe, I enjoy mutually enlightening dialogue and attempt to phrase my questions or points in such a way that fosters it versus degenerating into a contest of who's right or wrong, more intelligent, stupid, etc. When the conversation gets to the point of being a pissing contest or a name calling thread, I lose interest because I don't believe anything constructive will result.

Let me elaborate on my skepticism, when I say I'm skeptical, I don't mean that I think everyone and everything is full of ****, I mean that I don't accept things as being true merely because x, y or z said them.

In this case, you have websites initiated by the friends of Amanda and supporters of the victim. When I read claims from each of these sites, I bring my skepticism to the table in that I try to determine what is presented with too much bias and then counter that with another source that either has the opposite bias or very little bias at all.

What in your mind is wrong with this way of thinking?

Lastly, I've never said they were innocent, I've mentioned multiple times that I don't think I could presently pull the trigger to convict (which doesn't mean they are innocent).

Eloquent letter from Sollecito:

A version of Sollecito's letter was published in the Italian newspapers.
The letter begins: "Dear father. What can I say about Amanda? I met her at a concert and my first impression was that this was an interesting girl, she looked at me over and over again and seemed to be searching for something in my eyes, like a particular interest.

"Then I sat near her to talk and I noticed that her opinions on the music were odd because she didn't concentrate on the emotions it provoked but on the rhythm - slow, fast, slow.

"During that time when we were together she was elusive, I thought that she was out of this world. She lived her life like a dream, she was detached from reality, she couldn't distinguish dream from reality.

"Her life seemed to be pure pleasure, she had a contact with reality that was almost non-existent.

"In the middle of this sad and depressing world, through the window on the other side of the watchtower, on the horizon I can see a small house. And that house on the plain brings me out in a bashful smile of hope.

"I don't know if it's fair that I have to pay such a high price for not paying more attention to the seconds and minutes of November 1. But after this experience, believe me Dad, I will never smoke another joint in my life. I can now say that I know what it means to take a walk in Hell. And I pray to God not to leave me alone anymore.

"I wait with faith for the results of the investigation which, I know for certain being innocent, will demonstrate what really happened.

"That I was not in that room when poor Meredith was killed. Poor Meredith. A quiet girl who exchanged few words with people, who I had little to do with, but who certainly did not deserve the end she met.
"I hope that her parents will soon have justice, to know why and how and by whose hand their daughter was killed.

"This experience has opened my eyes. I am used to living in a house that is always clean, the central heating on when it is cold, a warm bed, a dream car, eating the best of the best that the earth has to offer, having the best computer on the market and a family that loves me.

"Here in prison there are people who have none of that. There is a filthy sponge bed, a tiny bathroom with hot water, central heating that is only on for a few hours a day, two quilts and a 13-inch TV. Even the smallest thing in prison can appear precious.

"I find it difficult to take in, but because of that I am trying and I will try to repay everything I have been given in my life. But I realise that is not enough and I need to work hard to do something for others and for myself; and I think that the key is to love and to love yourself. Because everything we have is not anyone's just by right. This experience has at least taught me that.

"I pass the time trying to speak to the doctors, psychologists, teachers and guards, trying to understand what could possibly have happened that night in the absolute certainty that I did nothing wrong.

"I try to understand what Amanda's role was in this event. The Amanda that I know is an Amanda who lives a carefree life. Her only thought is the pursuit of pleasure at all times. But even the thought that she could be a killer is impossible for me.

"I have read her version of events. Some of the things she said are not true, but I don't know why she said them. For example it wasn't that night that we were in the shower together.

"I can accept that part of the reason we all ended up in prison is my lack of clarity with regards to the events that night. I am paying the price for my own superficiality, and I want to say that I will keep paying down to the last cent.

"The reality is that my life has changed forever and there is no way back. All I can do is collect the broken pieces and try to put them back together."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-reality.html

Well he's definitely smarter than I thought. I'd love to hear an impartial forensic psychologists take on that letter. Doesn't explain why he lied and said he was on his computer all night. Or the whole thing about cooking with Meredith, if he said it.

Very true....

If? I thought this was established that he did say this? I've been wondering about this "pricked her finger while cooking stuff". Did Salecedo say this? To whom? This is important stuff here.

Ok since you're actually talking about this, I'm guessing you've been researching all this time and found it debunked somewhere, or you just got off the phone with your friends of amanda buddies or something. Please link. Don't drag us through the charade and act like you're impartial on this one issue when you've been an advocate the whole time.

Supposedly he wrote it in his prison diary after hearing that police were looking at the knife. I've read this in numerous places but I'm still not 100% sure that's not just the internet echo chamber at work. But, if you can't show me something debunking it I guess I'll just go one believing forever. Ball is in your court.

How do you not understand that we don't have a transcript of the trial?

We are reading things online and discussing it. If you do, please share

I know this is old, but still fairly damning imo. I just don't see an innocent person behaving this way. It's almost like she was riding the thrill-rush, and also trying to keep Raff enraptured with her. Who goes out smiling and buying a g-string the day after their roommate is murdered?

Unless the shopkeeper is lying about what they were saying.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hs-murder.html

K...sorry I probably missed this, but can someone comment on the knife. Let me see if I have my facts straight:
1). The blade on the knife did not match the wounds on Kercher
2). The blade belonged to Sollecito. The three of them never cooked together, but somehow Kercher's DNA ends up on the blade.
3). The blade was washed in a **** load of bleach
4). The blade has no evidence of blood being on it (but is this because of the bleach washing?)

Thank you whoever responds

Don't have any transcript, just say you don't know if you don't know anything about this. Does that work for you? As you say you don't need to be "a douche about it" guy.

I'm impartial on seeing that justice is done guy, but go ahead Mr. Impartiality and post more pics of her kissing that guy that proves nothing more that's shes a ditz.

What proof do you have that she is a ditz?

OK, may prove she's a ditz.

1. The blade did not match 2 of the three wounds. It could have made the other.

2. Yes

3. Maybe. The officers said there was the smell of bleach when they came to the house. An eye-witness puts Knox and Sollecito looking at cleaning products at 7:45am the morning after the murder. The forensics person who looked at the knife said it had striations that were consistent with rigorous cleaning. And the tiny amount of DNA left on the knife is consistent with if it originally had a lot of DNA, then was rigorously cleaned.

4. Yes. Also the DNA gathered didn't come from blood. It could have been skin though I guess (confirm anyone? all I know is it didn't come from blood). One would think you have to puncture skin to get to blood anyway, and that skin would be the first thing jammed into the microscopic grooves on the initially clean blade. Or maybe it was bone or something.

Ok, "guy", believe it or not in the real world a suspect's behavior after a crime has been committed is actually considered relevant. Not by you, we get that.

Does her kissing in public, smiling, buying sexy underwear, talking about sex, the day after her roommate was brutally murdered - prove anything all by itself? No. But it adds up with everything else to paint a picture of someone who really wasn't too bothered by her roommate's death. Who do you think would be more likely to not be depressed and shaken by their roommate's death - an innocent person or someone who had something to do with her death?

You just want to look at every single piece of evidence in a vacuum, and declare it not proof-worthy. You simply refuse to take the next logical step and consider them all as a whole.

Well when you get to providing some real evidence that they did it you get back to me Mr. Impartiality.

Did what? Is a picture of her smiling and kissing along with the store owner's testimony not good enough for you?

If you're talking about the actual crime. Just sigh. You can't go through everything we have on this thread and then just come back to square 1 making blanket statements about 'no real evidence'. That's trolling and I propose you just go on thread ignore if you don't have anything new to add.

To elaborate on point #4, here's something from a source Suzzer posted earlier:

The murder weapon. As most know, Meredith’s throat was cut. While both sides agree that the exact murder weapon has not been found, the prosecution contends that a knife with a 6 ½ inch blade found in Sollecito’s apartment (noting he was a knife collector) was similar to one of the edged weapons used to cut and kill the victim. This same knife, though it had evidence of vigorous cleaning (with investigators noting the powerful smell of bleach in the apartment), was found with the DNA of Knox and trace evidence of DNA that was deemed similar to that of the victim, but due to the miniscule amount of DNA, it could not be positively identified as that of Kercher’s. And were it to have been the victim’s DNA, Sollecito sought to explain it away stating that the victim had accidently been cut with the knife while cooking in his apartment. The prosecution contends there is no evidence Kercher was ever in Sollecito’s apartment and that; in fact, due to her low opinion of Knox, she would not have gone to his apartment. “Close enough” for prosecutors, but is “close” really “enough” when you face life in prison? Point, counterpoint.

http://clintvanzandt.newsvine.com/_n...ty-or-innocent

Yeah that's what that site said. But every where else I've read the story has gone something more like:

"Prosecution presents knife with Kercher's DNA, defense counters a pico-gram is unreliable."

I don't think that site got it exactly right. Another reason why I'm still trying to confirm that the Raff cooking with Kercher alibi happened.

But I mean seriously, if we can confirm that. What would Occam's Razor say there? That Raff knew stuff was on the knife, but he didn't know it would be an amount so small that the defense could counter that it was unreliable. So he tries to plant a story about cooking. That is by far the simplest explanation there.

Well this is kind of interesting:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...her-background

Kinda frustrating that we've gotten this far and still barely know any of the details of the murder. But this would explain DNA on the tip of a knife. It also explains where they prosecution came up with their theory at least somewhat.

I think her behaviour proves that she was a cum depository. However, it doesn't really prove anything in and of itself. Even if she was unconcerned it doesn't mean she did it. It does mean she is incredibly naive. You have to be somewhat careful about judging one's behaviour because several innocent people have been convicted in some instances based on "character evidence" that wasn't really reliable as to one's guilt or innocence.

She is convicted however. I think it will stay that way and I can see how some juries in the US might convict her as well. I don't know what kind of breaks the Italian legal system is going to afford her but I don't see this conviction getting overturned. They might even go harder on her because this is such a high profile case. I'm glad to see my thread is thriving. I find all this interesting but I am having a hard time keeping up with it all.