Well clearly if that happened to you, it's impossible that anything else could ever happen to anyone else. Case closed.

I didn't pull that info from a Knox propaganda site. So see how easily you too can be wrong?

So because there are Knox supporters that use bashing Guede as a tool to say Knox is innocent you lump all Knox supporters into the same category?

Why can't a supporter of Knox not bash Guede while still support Knox?

I'm sure you can google false confessions and find them on your own, you already know it.

Can we start with what the time of death likely was? Most everything else becomes irrelevant once the timeline gets established.

I'm trying to say that the normal reaction of someone who's innocent and accused of something that they didn't do is not to invent flimsy excuses that try to explain away the incriminating evidence. When Raf initially told people the next day that they were at a party the night before, that was not under stress of interrogation. When he made up the story about Meredith getting pricked while cooking, that was not during interrogation, it was in his prison diary where he had all day to think about what he wanted to right. Thats not getting into all the stuff they lied about that they did use the stress of interrogation as an excuse for (like blaming Patrick, Raf not remembering if Amanda was with him that night, etc etc).

you two are ridiculous and the reason why it's so easy for someone with a lot of money to walk away from a murder conviction

This is why I have an issue with the pro-Amanda side. I'm not pro-Rudy. I know he is guilty as well but the pro-Amanda side have no issue exaggerating and just making stuff up.

Rudy had no criminal record before this. He was suspected on one break-in at a law office where he stole a laptop. The second break-in was not for stealing but rather so he could crash in a non-residential building (I believe a school) that he though was empty. When someone showed up he did have a knife but the knife was from the building cafeteria and not a weapon. He did not struggle, threaten, or try to run. He just tired to explain that he needed a place to sleep so that was why he broke in.

The pro-Amanda side have turned his one suspected B&E into many -- the number increased several times and they use the school incident to imply he used a knife when doing B&Es.

Neither of these statements were made during interrogation.

If you knew anything about the case-- or even just read the posts-- you'd know that the lies were voluntary statements made by the couple in their personal prison journals. This has nothing to do with the exaggerated interrogation situation.

I haven't increased it all. I'm referring specifically to the one he was arrested at where he had a large kitchen knife that he'd stolen. Also specifically to the law office *where a rock was thrown through the window*. There was also a witness that came forward that said Rudy broke into his place and threatened him with a knife, but I don't think of that one specifically because I've never verified it.

They can if they support Amanda & Raffaele and not give a damn about Guede.

And what if Amanda & Raf supporters are just neutral in the evidence against Guede. Do that then make it ok to think that A&R's prints are in fruit juice?

Yeah, ya know lets not argue about the evidence, logic, and what makes sense let's just call each other names.

I understand the statements in the journals. They are not very persuasive evidence to me either way. They are confronting the unthinkable so it doesn't surprise me they are trying to rationalize what they know with what they're being told there is ironclad proof of.

Much more persuasive to me is the time of death evidence. Do you want to talk about it?

You post ended with a link to injusticeinperugia so yes I assume that was the source of your information. When people post links under text the normal inference is that they are siting that as their source.

I would love to meet a Knox supporter who knew the evidence and was willing to discuss it with intellectual honesty. I haven't met one and I doubt i will since knowing the evidence and believing she is innocent are incompatible.

And people like you are the reason why it's easier for an innocent person to be convicted of a crime they didn't commit. And your point is?

Argh, where do you people keep coming from?

This seems like a very thorough site, anyone familiar with it know if its biased particularly in one direction or the other?

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewforum.php?f=26

No one knows 100% whether someone is innocent or not unless they were there or there is incontrovertable evidence such as a videotape.

But no one who thinks she is guilty can provide a reasonable narrative that fits the facts of the case. I would love to see someone who can do it. I could point you to places where this is discussed by reasonable people but my guess is you've been there already and decided you can't win.

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Yes which of course is why you felt the need to bring up how people lie in integration.

Go for it. What do you think was the issue with time of death?

And then your assumption would be wrong. See how drawing conclusions based on circumstantial evidence is not very accurate. And FYI I've read other sites where they think Knox is guilty. And sites that are neutral.

They think she did it but they are fair.

They don't lie about any of the evidence and you can tell when it is commentary and when it is fact.

They also host all the pictures of the exhibits and collected evidence.

There is a lot of cross over between that site and the truejustice site.

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Are you misunderstanding what I said? We aren't discussing whether Rudy somehow got swept up in this too. We are discussing that the standards to which the system is held change depending on who Knox supporters are talking about. When they concede there is evidence against the kids, they say it was mishandled and misinterpreted, driven by a vindictive, superstitious prosecutor. They repeat and refer to the same set of evidence, processed by the exact same people, to prove that Rudy was there. Feeble-minded people then conflate Rudy's complicity as A killer with being THE REAL killer.

Are you on crack? I click on that link it takes me to a word for word copy of the list you posted.

I didn't think I was responding to a specific post regarding the diary statements. I was responding to the general notion that lying = guilt. Maybe I wasn't reading Guling's post in context.

Why don't you tell me what the logical time of death is considering you're the authority on the case?

Poker Reference, the reason people say Rudy is there is because he doesn't deny he was, his poop is in the toilet, and his hand and footprints are set in the victims blood in the murder room. Ignore all the DNA and you still know he was there.

You wanted to talk about time of death so raise your concerns and I will address them.

I don't see any issues with time of death that matter.