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View Poll Results: Is Amanda Knox innocent or guilty of murdering Meredith Kercher in Perugia Italy?
There is reasonable doubt here and should be found not guilty.
381 26.89%
She is guilty as can be and should be found guilty.
550 38.81%
She is completely innocent and should be acquitted.
168 11.86%
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04-23-2015 , 03:06 AM


24 hour Oski-summation/cliffs:

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Originally Posted by Oski
Stop.

You really need to just shut your idiotic pie - hole and do one of two things:

1. Read the goddamn report before arguing with me about what it says; or

2. Get the hell out of here.
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Originally Posted by Oski
Sweet theory, bro.

I already responded to that, champ.
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Stop. More spew coming from your ignorant pie-hole is not one of the options.
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We know you are an ignorant ass, anyway. It's obvious.
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Originally Posted by Oski
I appreciate that you like shiny objects and cannot focus long enough to read more than one or two sentences, but that really is your problem. Stop making it our problem. Either get your **** together, or get out.
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You are soiling yourself (not that you seem to mind).
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GTFO. What is with you Knox supporters? You are so invested in proving her innocent that you can't even read the goddamn court reports to at least see why the Court found her guilty?
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Originally Posted by Oski
I am glad you don't mind the snide comments because I am now going to claim that you are a total idiot: You are a total idiot.
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Read the Report or shut your foul cum-guzzler. That you revel in your ignorance is becoming a spectacle.
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I also reiterate that I hold the sincere belief that you did not graduate high school (you may have earned a GED, but I do not believe you graduated in the traditional sense).
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*** By the way, so am I right about you not graduating high school?
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So, you got a GED as I assumed would be the case.
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I guessed right about your bankruptcy (I actually didn't know), and I guess I am right about you dropping out of high school and getting a GED.
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Originally Posted by Oski
Not bad, I'd say.

LoL!

Keep it going Oski!!!!



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04-23-2015 , 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by auralex14
Oski, you obviously stalked this guy online and and found out he didn't graduate high school. Are you actually pretending you surmised this from his posting?



What a sad little man you are lol. You're pretending you didn't already know this info until he said it? You're so transparent it's pathetic. I guess this is what you have to cling to now.



I'd say the opposite
I brought up my guess he went bk over a year ago, long before anyone knew Ken was posting under his real name.

last week he stated he had gone bk.

so, you lose there.

last week, Ken posted his "bio" and I guessed he didn't finish high school.

I don't know if he did or not, but by the way he's answering, I believe he didn't.

so, wrong again.

thanks for playing.
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04-23-2015 , 11:06 AM
While he's at it I wonder if Oski could dox Henry and list where he received his 9 college degrees.
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04-23-2015 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Oski
Ken: All I am arguing is WHAT Necini's report says.

What is so strange about this conversation is you have not read the report and you are citing 2nd-hand, biased pieces to argue with me about what the report says.

You are not doing very well, because I have read the report.
If you've read Nencini and I haven't, then why did I immediately know you had posted nonsense when you had claimed Nencini had found a post-murder cleanup of Meredith's bedroom was possible:

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Originally Posted by Oski
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Common sense tells us that a post-murder clean-up in the bedroom was entirely possible; whether that happened or not is the issue. The trier-of-fact found that such a thing happened.
To make sure you were talking about Nencini, I had asked you:
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Originally Posted by Ken Dine
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Which "trier-of-fact" are you talking about?

The only relevant "trier-of-fact" would be Judge Nencini, whose faulty judgment was just overturned by the Cassation Ct., and Judge Nencini didn't feel it was possible to have done a post murder cleanup of Meredith's bedroom. Judge Massei did, but so what?

So then, specifically, which "trier-of-fact” are you talking about?
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Originally Posted by Oski
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The Nencini Court.
In addition to a summary of Nencini written by an Italian, I also posted a 'Guilter' translation of Nencini to prove that you were wrong about a post-murder cleanup in Meredith's bedroom:

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Originally Posted by Ken Dine
This quote is from Nencini’s report (as translated by ‘Guilters’ and posted at a ‘Guilter’ website):

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NENCINI: "And in fact the cleaning activity was done in the corridor and small bathroom, while poor Meredith’s room could not be cleaned, so it was closed and locked. Whoever might have entered the cottage on the morning of 2 November 2007 was not supposed to realize that a murder had been carried out there. To ensure this, all traces were cleaned outside the room where the lifeless body of the young woman was found, whereas the room was closed and locked."

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.co...e_murder_scene
Your insane rant continues:
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Originally Posted by Oski
I don't care what your opinion on the matter is; however, I am not going to allow you to freely challenge a statement of mine summarizing a report I have read and understood - when your challenge is not supported, you have not read the report, and your challenge is simply wrong.
Despite your ongoing bluster, I've obviously read Nencini since I immediately recognized that you were claiming things not found in Nencini.

I was RIGHT, you were WRONG! The fact that you can never admit an error is pure Oski. It's also a clear sign of mental illness.

Your ongoing juvenile antics and bullying are further indications that you are mentally unhinged. You clearly need professional help.

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Originally Posted by Oski
If you recall, I simply explained to another poster that asked that the Nencini Court found that there was a cleanup. You barged in with your incorrect statement claiming Nencini found otherwise.

So, either read the report, or just STFU.
You read it - here it is again for you to read:

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NENCINI: "And in fact the cleaning activity was done in the corridor and small bathroom, while poor Meredith’s room could not be cleaned, so it was closed and locked. Whoever might have entered the cottage on the morning of 2 November 2007 was not supposed to realize that a murder had been carried out there. To ensure this, all traces were cleaned outside the room where the lifeless body of the young woman was found, whereas the room was closed and locked."

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.co...e_murder_scene
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Originally Posted by Oski
You claim that Judge Nencini made a finding when in reality (as I have pointed out quite thoroughly on this page) he found the opposite. That you decided to argue about it when you have no idea what you are talking about (since you have not read the report) was your choice and a bad one at that.
Here it is again for you to read:
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NENCINI: "And in fact the cleaning activity was done in the corridor and small bathroom, while poor Meredith’s room could not be cleaned, so it was closed and locked. Whoever might have entered the cottage on the morning of 2 November 2007 was not supposed to realize that a murder had been carried out there. To ensure this, all traces were cleaned outside the room where the lifeless body of the young woman was found, whereas the room was closed and locked."

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.co...e_murder_scene
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04-23-2015 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Oski
I brought up my guess he went bk over a year ago, long before anyone knew Ken was posting under his real name.

last week he stated he had gone bk.

so, you lose there.

last week, Ken posted his "bio" and I guessed he didn't finish high school.

I don't know if he did or not, but by the way he's answering, I believe he didn't.

so, wrong again.

thanks for playing.
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04-23-2015 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ninetynine99

You don't even know what's happening.

If you had any familiarity with this thread, you would understand nothing out of the ordinary has happened, or is happening.

Keep trying.

You need to step up your troll game.
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04-23-2015 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Harold Reynolds
While he's at it I wonder if Oski could dox Henry and list where he received his 9 college degrees.
Why don't you ask him yourself?

Anyhow, any word on whether you are going to link me to one of your posts that is even mildly-entertaining? I had high hopes for you, but you really don't deliver.

At this point, I'd even settle for a well-placed or "+1" - just something that indicates you are something above worthless.
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04-23-2015 , 03:51 PM
Funny how Oski has said about a thousand times that there's nothing new to discuss, while continuing to refer to Henry's mega post as a reliable summary of evidence.

Then when errors in Henry's report are pointed out he says that it's due to the fact that Henry was going off of the information that was available at that time and we know more now.
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04-23-2015 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Oski
Henry cited all of his points - not every single thing may be accurate because he was working with what was available at the time - the information available is much better now that there has been translations more complete case reports, etc.
The information is much better now, but still, everything has already been discussed so there's no reason to discuss it again.
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04-23-2015 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by loK2thabrain
Funny how Oski has said about a thousand times that there's nothing new to discuss, while continuing to refer to Henry's mega post as a reliable summary of evidence.

Then when errors in Henry's report are pointed out he says that it's due to the fact that Henry was going off of the information that was available at that time and we know more now.
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Originally Posted by loK2thabrain
The information is much better now, but still, everything has already been discussed so there's no reason to discuss it again.
Another is a series of ******ed posts.

1. No material errors in Henry's post have been pointed out. I appreciate that Ken will say so, and I also appreciate that as Ken's biggest fan, you blindly accept what he says. That is fine, but just understand, that means you are a lemming.

2. There is nothing new to discuss. The reference was about the change in the state of information that happened about 18 months ago. The only other change was when the Nencini Report was issued and translated approximately 11 months ago.

So, looks like you continue to shoot blanks.

lol, Jock2thebrain.
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04-23-2015 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Oski
Another is a series of ******ed posts.

1. No material errors in Henry's post have been pointed out. I appreciate that Ken will say so, and I also appreciate that as Ken's biggest fan, you blindly accept what he says. That is fine, but just understand, that means you are a lemming.

2. There is nothing new to discuss. The reference was about the change in the state of information that happened about 18 months ago. The only other change was when the Nencini Report was issued and translated approximately 11 months ago.

So, looks like you continue to shoot blanks.

lol, Jock2thebrain.
That's your opinion.
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04-23-2015 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 28renton
That's your opinion.
Yeah, it is my opinion.

No ****.
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04-23-2015 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Oski
Yeah, it is my opinion.

No ****.
You said it as a fact.
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04-23-2015 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 28renton
You said it as a fact.
Cuz it's true. Not one of you have refuted the megapost. So refute the mfr in its 11p entirety instead of blustering like you're blustering in a really blustery manner.
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04-23-2015 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 28renton
You said it as a fact.
I appreciate that you respect my authority. However, please understand, on subjective matters such as that, my statements are merely opinion.
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04-23-2015 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Oski
Why don't you ask him yourself?

Anyhow, any word on whether you are going to link me to one of your posts that is even mildly-entertaining? I had high hopes for you, but you really don't deliver.

At this point, I'd even settle for a well-placed or "+1" - just something that indicates you are something above worthless.
And so another Oski-day begins…

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04-23-2015 , 10:51 PM
This thread summed up in a 3 minute video:

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04-23-2015 , 11:30 PM
Wait, ken dine has followers now?
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04-23-2015 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Cuz it's true. Not one of you have refuted the megapost. So refute the mfr in its 11p entirety instead of blustering like you're blustering in a really blustery manner.
The first ****ing statement has a major error! LMAO

HE CLAIMS A WITNESS SAW AMANDA LEAVING RAFFAELE'S APARTMENT

(In the very first post of his monstrosity of what is know as his "mega post")

Why go any further when this (the first statement) is so atrocious?

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Originally Posted by HenryDumbass
The mega post is going to be 11 posts. Since that is a lot to read I’ve decided to preface it with a summary of what each post contains.

Post 2: The Alibi

Amanda and Raffaele’s account of what they were doing the night of the murder is contradicted by physical evidence and eye witnesses.

1) Amanda claims to have been at Raffaele’s all night on the computer but the computer shows no human interaction for the entire night. A witness saw Amanda leave Raffaele’s apartment and another witness saw them together near the cottage.
Clearly that was never was true, and at a period in time when anyone who knows the case should not get that wrong (unlike Oski's excuse for his leader).

So, is that a refuted point on his mega post is it not?

Your move.

Last edited by HighJaK; 04-23-2015 at 11:55 PM.
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04-23-2015 , 11:48 PM
And if you want to be nitty about it, Raffaeles computer actually had interaction on it up until a certain time so that's a completely disingenuous statement as well regarding no human interaction.
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04-24-2015 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by HighJaK
And if you want to be nitty about it, Raffaeles computer actually had interaction on it up until a certain time so that's a completely disingenuous statement as well regarding no human interaction.
Raffaele's last interaction with his laptop was around 9:30 pm. When Amanda opened the door to greet the Polish gal around 8:40 pm, the gal testified that she saw Amanda working on her laptop, but the police fried Amanda's laptop and then refused to let experts retrieve the data from her fried drive, so Amanda may have been able to prove that she was working on her laptop much later.

By 9:15 pm Meredith was likely already dead since she was murdered still wearing the jacket she walked home wearing when she arrived back at the cottage a few minutes before 9:00 pm.

Further proof that Meredith died nearly immediately upon arriving home, is that she didn't call her ailing mom back, as was her custom. Meredith also never had the chance to remove her wet clothing from the washing machine.
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04-24-2015 , 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Ken Dine
Raffaele's last interaction with his laptop was around 9:30 pm.
Although Nencini gives the 21:26 Naruto prompt as a human interaction, Sollecito's own expert D'Ambrosio said it wasn't. The cartoon was not downloaded or viewed and it may have been just a new-episode prompt. Massei gives the 21:10 closing of the Amelie file as a human interaction, but the experts said that may have been automatic as well.

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When Amanda opened the door to greet the Polish gal around 8:40 pm, the gal testified that she saw Amanda working on her laptop
No, that was on Popovic's first visit at 17:45 (and she's Serbian). She didn't recall which computer Knox was writing on. When she came back at 20:40 she just spoke to Knox at the door and didn't go in.

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but the police fried Amanda's laptop
Except they didn't. It was already damaged when examined on 13 November, just like Filomena's when the police tried to switch it on on 2 November. A Sollecito defence expert was present on 13 November and didn't object to anything the police did.

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...and then refused to let experts retrieve the data from her fried drive, so Amanda may have been able to prove that she was working on her laptop much later.
Knox defence experts did recover some data from the hard drive, but did not reveal what they found. Unlike the prosecution, they don't have to share.

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By 9:15 pm Meredith was likely already dead since she was murdered still wearing the jacket she walked home wearing when she arrived back at the cottage a few minutes before 9:00 pm.
That light blue top wasn't exactly a heavy winter coat. You could wear it indoors, and the house may not have been that warm.

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Further proof that Meredith died nearly immediately upon arriving home, is that she didn't call her ailing mom back, as was her custom.
She'd already had a long conversation with Arline that afternoon. She'd heard how the day's dialysis session went, and they'd discussed a mid-December trip home she was planning. She did sometimes call Arline more than once a day, but the timing of that second, failed call -- immediately after she left Sophie Purton -- suggests she may have been calling just to be on the phone to someone while she walked home alone through a part of town that made her (and Sophie) nervous. And if you just fancy a chat and someone doesn't pick up, you don't necessarily call right back. You might well leave it a while.

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Meredith also never had the chance to remove her wet clothing from the washing machine.
It wasn't strictly Meredith's washing, since some of it was Knox's according to Laura and Filomena. That's an odd load. There is no evidence that Meredith loaded the machine herself except for Knox's account (as in her 'alibi email' of 4 November), which is probably misdirection. It is obvious why Knox might need to wash all those towels you can see through the washer's window in the crime-scene pictures, and why she might need to disguise that fact.
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04-24-2015 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by HighJaK
The first ****ing statement has a major error! LMAO

HE CLAIMS A WITNESS SAW AMANDA LEAVING RAFFAELE'S APARTMENT

(In the very first post of his monstrosity of what is know as his "mega post")

Why go any further when this (the first statement) is so atrocious?


Clearly that was never was true, and at a period in time when anyone who knows the case should not get that wrong (unlike Oski's excuse for his leader).

So, is that a refuted point on his mega post is it not?

Your move.
Ok. So, it appears that your attempt at refuting the post begins and ends here.

I think it is safe to say that your opinion should then be that AK and RS participated on the murder since you do not take issue with any other portion of the post - you have not controverted anything in the post other than raising an issue with this one witness.

Of course, there is other evidence that suggests AK was out of RS flat such as Curotolo's testimony.

So, you have not effectively countered the post.

Your move.
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04-24-2015 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by HighJaK
And if you want to be nitty about it, Raffaeles computer actually had interaction on it up until a certain time so that's a completely disingenuous statement as well regarding no human interaction.
You aren't being nitty; rather, you are being either disingenuous or ignorant: Your "nitty point" completely ignores that Henry goes on to elaborate on that point later and explain when the human interaction ends on the computer.***

*** Did you know that the post is actually 11 different posts with the first one being a summary? I am only asking because you have demonstrated that you tend to not actually read the materials you are arguing about - here, I don't think you read the entire post, either based on the quoted post.
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04-24-2015 , 10:33 AM
Guys, Guede in his most unvarnished account admitted to being there well before Meredith got home and said he went inside with her except it was at a time when she wasn't home yet. Her coat was found sleeves, inside out, bloody, and had Guede's DNA on it. Guede also said she screamed so loud it would have been heard from the street at 9:20 or 9:30 which wasn't long after she got home.

But 57 on Red has the whopper that it's a light coat that could have been worn inside so we should probably pay it no mind.
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